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Thinking of immigrating to Italy - am I insane? (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 month ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Hi all! This is an alt for anonymity. Please be gentle, this is a hard topic for me to discuss.

I'm a progressive United States citizen who is looking to get out. I'm of Italian descent so I'm working on getting Italian citizenship through jure sanguinis, but it's going to take some time, if it works at all (gotta substantiate some relations) and won't extend to my husband until he completes a citizenship test, which he can do after living in Italy for two years.

Here's my big question: is moving to Italy even a good idea?

I know there's a significant element of fascism there, but that seems to be the case to varying extents throughout Europe. I've visited a few times as a tourist and everyone was very kind. I also have a US cousin that lives there as a permanent resident near Napoli and she is very encouraging, saying people will be welcoming. We don't want much, just to make a living and maybe have a kid.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

52% of those who voted

In reality, Trump was voted in by around 32% of Americans who are eligible to vote. He's tearing everything apart with a mandate from 23% of the US population.

Democracy, baby!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (3 children)

You should drop this argument. Those who haven't voted are assumed to have the same distribution as those who did.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That's not totally true.

Republicans turned out at slightly higher numbers than Democrats relative to their representation in the U.S. population (8 points vs. 5 points).

And there's a lot there suggesting a leftward lean from the independent portion (eg. disproportionately non-white, non-Christian and urban)

Edit: If anyone has a counter argument I'd love to hear it. Its just weird to dismiss the entire massive non-voting bloc in a country with a long history of right wing voter suppression and anemic left wing opposition.

Republicans put a ton of effort into voter restrictions, ostensibly to prevent mass voter fraud which study after study proves does not exist. Why do they go through the trouble?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Agree. I got downvoted to shit for making this point although, as an outsider, I probably came across as smug or something.
Quasi-compulsory voting is awesome.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Do you have any evidence to suggest that whatsoever?