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[–] shatal@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I'm unfamiliar with that, can you share more info? What was the lie and how it was disproven?

[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

At 5:35 in the video in OP's link. People who can read Arabic called them out for what was literally a calendar with days listed. The IDF officer in the video claims it's a list of signed names from each Hamas member for their shift of guarding the room. But there's no names on it, it's just a calendar.

[–] Kolrami@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

it's just a calendar

I'm very skeptical of this claim right here.

I didn't notice anything specific in the calendar itself, but when I used Google translate, the top of the calendar read:

"For the Battle of Toukan Al-Akher 10/23/7"

I'm assuming the date is October 7, 2023 and it's the result of Google mistranslating from Arabic, but that doesn't sound like a typical calendar.

I feel like people are trying to pretend the hostages were held nowhere.

EDIT: I zoomed in and translated again. I think Toukan was Toufan and this meant "Battle of Al-Aqsa Flood", obviously in reference to the Al Aqsa mosque and using the terminology that Palestinians use to describe October 7th.

[–] dannoffs@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The top line says "Battle of Al-Aqsa flood 10/7/23" but if you translate the rest of what's on that page its just the day of the week and date in each square. The IDF propagandist explicitly claims in the video that it is a guard shift list with people's names on it which is a blatant lie.

[–] Kolrami@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yes, I agree. I noticed the days and saw no names. He seems to be wrong about what it says, but people in this thread seem to be wrong about it just being some random calendar.

I don't like to replace wrong information with wrong information.

[–] shatal@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

You're right, good catch.

It's a very strange mistake to make on their part, I assume the IDF has many Arabic speakers.

It'll be very interesting to see how everything else in the video will unfold.

[–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago

It’s a very strange mistake to make on their part

No its not, its purposeful disinformation from a group trying to justify war crimes.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago

Occam's razor applies here, and so we look for the simplest, most likely explanation (going by past example). And that explanation is Israeli misinformation. They've done it before.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Disproven? It wasn’t proven in the first place.

[–] shatal@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Disproved in the context of the claims.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

I understand what you meant. What I’m saying is that those claims would have to be proven before they can be disproven. 

[–] dannoffs@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 2 years ago

I don't think you've even watched the video you linked