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I kinda pick one of these land grab schemes as the tipping point. If the current armed forces can look at what's waiting for them when they discharge and still go "yeah fuck Greenland!" then there's no coming back from this.
I'm a gun owner. I'm a solid shot @ 300 yards with a T/C encore 6.5. I'm smart enough to know that Id probably be dead before I even remembered to chamber against any armed forces. The military is what worries me right now very much. Especially if they choose how i would like them to. There's major repercussions to refusing orders (i assume) and I won't be the one to bear those so i can only ask.
The military oath requires refusal to obey unlawful orders.
This. My standard handgun is laughable compared to the military grade weapons that both the police and the military have.
People have been saying “It’s time to pick up arms and use the second amendment as intended” but in reality, the people who do that will be shot as soon as they raise their weapon. It’s suicide by cop/military.
And yet poorly armed civilians have overthrown governments. Why is that? Could it be that relative firepower is not the only factor?
Also, even if it's a matter of force meeting force, focused application of force at a critical point is determinative, not overall force. History is full of cases where smaller forces won.
I think we were simply discussing initial happenings not so much long term.
An AR15 or AK is plenty good enough. And if you have the money you can also get basically whatever night/thermal vision equipment your wallet can handle. At least in the USA still. If your handgun doesn't feel like enough (I agree that it's not) then I suggest you get yourself a long gun (and lots of ammo) before you can't anymore. Silver lining to all this bullshit is guns and ammo are as cheap as they've been in a long time. Unfortunately no one has any money..
Also you're right about it being suicide. But that's only if you're alone. Open carrying during protests has historically actually been pretty effective at keeping the peace. That's also how guns got/get banned though. The Black Panthers and Ronald Reagan for example.
You're assuming individual citizens are going to directly face the military. It'll be a guerilla war fought by irregulars. Militaries are piss-poor at putting those down, especially against their own citizens. You hit them where they aren't, not where they expect you.