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And people have the gall to shame people who stayed home and refused to vote for Kamala.
(Note, I voted for Kamala. You have to point that out or liberals shit themselves.)
We need to let the Democratic Party die completely. They are captured opposition.
Liberals pretend that it was democracy vs. fascism on the ballot in 2024. It wasn't. Democracy wasn't on the ballot. What was on the ballot were two choices:
Those were the only two choices. Just like Democrats now, Kamala and friends would not have made any meaningful change. They would have just coasted, sitting on their asses, doing nothing until Trump or someone worse rode into office in 2028.
Democrats didn't even bother preparing for Project 2025, even though they had the whole thing detailed in advance.
If Democrats aren't going to use what power they have while out of office, they don't deserve to be put into office.
We need a new party, a popular front that will start by crushing the Democrats and then move on to crush MAGA. We cannot kill MAGA until we first kill the corporate Democrats. They're a captured opposition that sucks all the oxygen out of the room and prevents any real good from happening. In many ways, they are worse than Republicans. At least Republicans are honest about their evil.
So make it then.
Other more progressive better parties already exist. They don't get votes. What is your party going to do differently to get votes?
But why make a new party when you can vote out establishment corporate Democrats in primaries, remaking the Democratic party? Seems pointless to start from square 1 when the Dems are right there ripe for a take over.
the party fights against progressives in the primaries harder than it does against republicans in the general.
And? Progressives still win primaries all the time. If we had more people vote in them, and had more progressive candidates running, then more progressives would win regardless of what the Party wants. Republicans didn't want Trump in 2016, they desperately tried to not have him, but the voters kept voting for him so he won the primary and became the party.
Are they required by law to hold primaries?
No but it's incredibly incredibly rare for them to not hold primaries. It only happens when there is, either an obviously massive lead, an incumbent president, or when someone is running unopposed. Both parties do that. Primaries happen 99% of the time. People say primaries didnt happen in 2024 but they absolutely did in almost all 50 states president wise and in all 50 states lower than president wise.
So while there is no law that says "you have to hold a primary" they will still be holding primaries. There's only been one time when in modern history when the incumbent isnt running and there weren't primaries held to find his replacement and that was last year with Harris.
Primaries have the problem where so few people come out to vote in them, at least on the Democrat side, that even if the people broadly seem to support a candidate in the area, they'll often not even bother voting in the primary. This happened in 2016 when Bernie lost the primary by 3 and a half million votes and only would have won if all but 9 super delegates went to him which never would have happened because he didn't win a majority of the votes.
Primaries will happen, we can vote them out. AOC did it in 2018 and we can do it nationwide next year.
Honestly i think it would be easier and faster to take over the republican party sometimes
Thanks for voting for Kamala.
If we get to vote for President in 2028, do you think your new party will have killed the Democrats yet? If not, will you vote for the Democratic candidate again? If not, do you think there will be another chance in 2032?
I've voted Democrat my whole life out of the lesser evil thing. I think I'm going to vote third party at this point because things are getting eviler and they are part of the problem.
My question is if I vote Democrat again, will they simply maintain the status quo and do nothing until the next fascist runs on blowing up the system that they are defending that isn't working for anyone and wins again?
Because so far that's all that has happened. Oh yeah there was also that guy that won on "hope" and "change" and gave a handout to insurance companies instead of a public option.
After citizens united and before they are all owned by the same elites that crush everyone else. One party just does it under a cross and the other does it under a rainbow flag.
I don't know. I do know at this point that you might as well just write "Jesus" on the ballot instead of voting for Dems. In theory, voting for Jesus at least comes with a tiny minuscule chance of divine intervention, while voting for Dems just guarantees craven horseshit.
It would take at least three election cycles before a 3rd party to rise enough to genuinely challenge one of the parties, and in the meantime the Republicans would be fucking up the country, probably irreparably.
And that's only if they allow elections at all, or at least fair, unrigged ones.
Check out the Working Families Party.