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U.S. officials familiar with the planning said options for "reclaiming" the vital waterway include close cooperation with Panama's military and, absent that, possible war.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Because you can’t really invade a place full of white people like Greenland or Canada. Even the diehard Trump fans would probably not be okay with that. On the other hand, a country full of poor, brown people that have only ever been fucked over by America? Well shit, we can’t wait to bomb them! George Carlin explained it, America loves bombing brown people. Anyone in the US military with the slightest amount of backbone will not follow these illegal orders. See the Nuremberg Trials if you’re not sure what an illegal order looks like. They aren’t even trying with a WMD hoax, this is just an illegal invasion.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Even the diehard Trump fans would probably not be okay

Given the number of diehard trump fans who wish harm to other members of the US and agitate for an internal war, I doubt this is true for the majority of them.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You may be right. When logic and reason are your enemy, no one will be able to guess your next move (apparently kicking self in nuts repeatedly).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Join us tomorrow for the next exciting episode of, "Ow, My Balls!!!"

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Give Fox News 6 months of their two minutes hate bullshit and Trumpers will be frothing at the mouth for Canadian blood. Americans have already proven that we'll follow a blatant liar into war if the propaganda sets the tone for it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago

This is sadly true.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And then in 10 years everyone gets to pretend that they were 'against it the whole time' like they did with the Iraq War.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Ain’t that the sorry truth? On one hand, I hope you’re right and that we have an after soon where we can enjoy forgetting haha

But — I remember protesting the Iraq war and I told my parent that this war didn’t make sense at all and I couldn’t stand for it. My parent was appalled. They literally cried and said that they were sorry to have a traitor for a child. Haha they hate the Iraq war now! Amazing!

Remember when Michael Moore got booed at his acceptance speech for some Hollywood award because he had the audacity to be like—yo this Iraq war shit is wrong and does not look like it’s based on anything? And even Hollywood BOOED him. Yanked him off stage!

Remember the little American car flags. On everyone’s stupid car windows?

You had to vocally support the troops if you were in public too. People who had become devoted to the Bush admin forced this in every conversation with strangers angling for a fight.

And we found out the Weapons of Mass Destruction were not real. They weren’t real. The have New York Times journalists that testified to admitted falsifying articles for the Bush Admin.

Looking back the atmosphere Then was a primer for Now.

The whole world stood with America and it was for a lie. When I was in Italy after 9/11, an entire restaurant stopped service because we were American and the restaurant expressed that they were with us and they felt deep grief for our country. Europe cried with us. Only to be betrayed 25 years later.

How do people who lived through these times forget these aggravating and tender moments? They don’t seem to remember and connect the dots.

I can only assume those who don’t make choices on principles stand for nothing. They base all their current attitudes on social hierarchy and nothing else. Mein Herz ist krank.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

We saw the same fervour in the UK with the Brexit vote. Family members and people I personally know, who were vociferously in favour at the time, claim now to have always believed it a bad idea.

There's the idiom that goes something like "those who stand for nothing will believe in anything." It always amazes me when people fall for obvious nonsense. Especially otherwise intelligent and thoughtful people.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Maybe, but relationships between the American and Canadian military are way too entrenched, even if it was a direct order, it’s pretty hard to suddenly point your weapons at someone who’s been a dedicated ally. Though I won’t blame Canadians for being more than a little pissed for quite some time, I just don’t see how this would actually happen.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I entirely agree we shouldn't do it, but I don't believe it would necessarily be an illegal order to follow.

Invading a sovereign country for overtly offensive reasons isn't against any particular military law, it's just shitty.

The president doesn't have the power to declare war, only to do everything involved in a war, but I don't think that would actually make any of the orders illegal, unless they were to explicitly do some war crimes or some such.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I get what you’re saying, though maybe when America becomes the new nazis, we can have a Nuremberg Trial 2.0 and set some new precedents!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

I have my doubts that any nation is going to accept the precedent that other nations can have authority over their use of military force.

That also sets a difficult precedent, both for soldiers and the court. If following an order to participate in an invasion of another country, while only engaging with valid military targets according to the rules of war, is a war crime if the international community later decides it wasn't justified then soldiers will become war criminals not because of their actions being brutal or unethical, but because they were insufficiently aware of the global opinion of a war.

Second, it potentially puts the court in a position where they suddenly need to imprison literally hundreds of thousands of soldiers, to say nothing of arresting and trying them. This could easily make the court appear toothless when they fail to have the power to arrest the US army, nor to actually have a place to put them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

"What?! There's brown people there? BOMB THEM!!1!"