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Conservative lawmakers and activists are pushing to overturn Obergefell v. Hodges, the 2015 Supreme Court ruling legalizing same-sex marriage. Liberty Counsel’s Mat Staver declared, "It’s just a matter of when."

Some legislators, like Oklahoma Senator David Bullard, are introducing bills to challenge the ruling, while Justices Thomas and Alito have signaled interest in reconsidering it.

Though most Americans support same-sex marriage, the court’s conservative shift is concerning.

The 2022 Respect for Marriage Act ensures federal recognition but does not prevent states from restricting same-sex marriage if Obergefell is overturned.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Agree entirely on the value judgement but it's not a right if a single party can remove it.

It should have been written into the damn constitution with an ammendment along with bodily autonomy for women. But that would have taken some guts and foresight by the democratic leaders.

Now it's too late.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

That's the thing about rights.

There's no such thing as a "God-given right." Rights are earned by fighting. By bloodshed and tears. And they're lost once again by complacency.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It should have been written into the damn constitution with an ammendment along with bodily autonomy for women. But that would have taken some guts and foresight by the democratic leaders.

An amendment would have taken 38 state legislatures ratifying it. There aren't 38 state legislatures likely to pass ratification of an amendment that guarantees a right for any two adults to marry without exception and also guarantees a right for any woman to terminate any pregnancy without exception at her will.

That's probably tied for the lowest odds any hypothetical amendment has of being ratified.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Thankyou. I didn't realise quite how difficult it would have been.

So sad that things so obviously harmless and bettering for humanity can't get anywhere near that 76% support in the richest most privileged nation the world has ever seen.

Humanites high water mark is decidedly low considering the potential.

Oh well.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

that would have taken some guts and foresight by the democratic leaders.

My understanding is that constitutional amendments also take a high bar to pass with 2/3 of states agreeing to the proposal and 3/4 ratifying. Given the issues getting even more basic things through the Senate/House I could definitely see this getting blocked by red states.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

My understanding is that constitutional amendments also take a high bar to pass with 2/3 of states agreeing to the proposal and 3/4 ratifying. Given the issues getting even more basic things through the Senate/House I could definitely see this getting blocked by red states.

Two routes to amend the Constitution.

  1. Both houses of Congress pass a proposed amendment by a 2/3 majority. Then 3/4 of states ratify that amendment in their state legislatures. This is how every amendment to date has occurred.
  2. 2/3 of state legislatures call for a Constitutional Congress, during which any number of changes may be made, but any changes must be agreed to by 3/4 of the states. Congress gets no say in this process. Congress getting no say in this process is the point - it exists so that if there's an issue with the Constitution that Congress is unable or unwilling to resolve (for example if Congressional power needs to be curtailed in some fashion), it can be fixed despite them.

Note the key thing here: Republicans have been pushing hard at the state level for decades, and 2 is why. If ever 38 state legislatures are red, they can more or less arbitrarily rewrite the Constitution to their will regardless of what the remaining states or anything at the federal level has to say about it.