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A Plan (lemmy.world)

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

For the more immediate future, the answer is not, I think, founding some kind of socialist party, but it does require making Democratic Party politics much more democratic and populist.

Excellent, I am on board with this.

I just hate seeing such a resurgence of Democratic groupthink at a make or break moment when we reeeeeeeally need to do some internal soul searching and serious self criticism.

Speaking personally, I'm just incredibly angry there was anyone on the left who decided to let trump win. That's in stark contrast to being a cheerleader for Democratic groupthink. I've always been critical of Democrats for all the usual reasons and more AOC more Bernie is where I want it to go.

Just the slimy 4chan nature of calling Democrats "libs" and throwing "bougie" around like it means anything to the speaker (and quoting Lenin directly in russian which - was a new one for me) is ridiculous. We have a vehicle, let's fucking go is my point, but there seems to be a bulwark of (?? i don't know, bot? russian? idiot sophmore?) left that refuses to move in any direction for any reason because it's "not pure".

Anyway, I don't disagree what what you've got here - most of it is pretty darn lofty but hey, dream big, right? - and moving the DNC to the left has always been my argument anyway so, agreed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I'm completely on the same page here, to clarify I'm a leftist, but a registered Democrat who votes left in the primaries but down the Democrat line in the general election.

And I totally agree it's very lofty, that's why I think more realistic short term goals are to push for things like internal party reforms (e.g., why the feel haven't we had a real primary since Obama's first election? Why are the establishment elites trying over and over to recreate the Obama coalition from the top down when the Obama coalition was an organic group that came together despite the establishment Democrats trying to smother it?) and prohibiting or restricting voting stock for non-employee-shareholders.

Anyway, glad we're actually mostly on the same page. I think a lot of people could get behind things like this, even if they would never back the more lofty ideas I threw out there.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

Agreed! And fwiw I’m “a registered Democrat who votes left in the primaries but down the Democrat line in the general election” too, I just don’t use the term “leftist” because, well, I don’t know what it means to people around me. That is, it changes depending on social context I guess.

Anyway, thanks for spelling it out, I think if we could get this in some kind of metaphorical Sidebar for progressives we’d get more traction.