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Given that racists and slavers used the "natural physical strength" of black people to justify putting them on hard labor and some medics still think that blacks has higher resistance to pain, I wonder if when black athletes started to join mixed race sport teams, some racist would have used the same "biological advantage" argument that now transphobes use against trans athletes to claim it was "unfair" for black to compete against whites to justify segregation.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

We should all just get on board with allowing discrimination based on sex at birth in women’s sport competitions.

No, we need the exact opposite of this but for the same reason.

We should ignore it as an issue because it's literally not an issue. The minuscule number of people it will affect don't warrant national discussion nor legislation. But we should also not cede ground to transphobic bigots that want to use this as precedent "that assigned sex at birth" is relevant in some venues. Next stop is bathrooms and gyms.

More over, scientifically this isn't even a metric that makes sense. What about intersex folk? Their assigned sex at birth inherently doesn't fit in to a binary. It also ignores the numerous cis women who naturally have higher testosterone levels. I get why its an easy solution as transphobia is rampant and dangerous in other areas of life, but thats not a good reason to make inherently flawed laws.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (4 children)

It's not a winning issue in sports. Anywhere else you'll get more support.

from Gallup polls

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

You are missing the point, the polls don't matter. I know it's a wedge issue that republicans slam on, but just because a thing is popular doesn't make it wise.

  • Scientifically (HRT equalizes everything after 2+ years)

  • Philosophically (trans women are women, trans men are men)

  • Politically (sets a precedent of gatekeeping certain areas)

  • Practically (intersex, cis athletes with unique biology)

From every angle you look at it, we can't enshrine ASAB as the end all determination. It's not a compromise that will make transphobic people chill, it will be a victory for them to push more.

Are you really going to tell me that a trans girl who was on puberty blockers as a child and HRT when she is old enough, who never went through "male puberty" at any point physically has some edge and should not be able to be on a girls soccer team? Because that flies in the face of all reason. Setting a law because of popularity instead looking at the facts will cause more problems down the road.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

It's NOT a wedge issue in sports, as evident by the fact that a majority of independents, and a sizeable portion of democrats are also against it.

And it's also not settled scientifically. This isn't about ONLY testosterone. It's also about bone structure, muscle density, wing span l, height, ligaments and tendons, and much more. All things that don't just disappear with the cessation of testosterone.

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