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A "Showerthought" is a simple term used to describe the thoughts that pop into your head while you're doing everyday things like taking a shower, driving, or just daydreaming. The most popular seem to be lighthearted, clever little truths, hidden in daily life.

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

In the 2nd century some guy wrote about travelling to the moon...

Where he found Moon people who were at war with the sun people.

By your definition, isn't that also SciFi?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Kinda! I wouldn't say that it is exactly science fiction since our modern understanding of the scientific method didn't really exist back then, but it's fiction using extrapolations of what might be possible based upon the natural rules of the world. Those extrapolations are used to justify and explain the things that would otherwise be impossible, which is the core of what science fiction is to me. It probably doesn't vibe like modern sci-fi, but science fiction is not based on vibes.

Like, don't get me wrong, I fucking love 50s and 60s sci-fi. I read Rendezvous with Rama (EDIT: 70s, not 60s! I'm surprised, I thought Rama came out before 2001) when I was 8 and the novelization of 2001 right afterwards and that had a tremendous impact on my life. I just don't think Arthur C. Clarke or Heinlein or Asimov created science fiction. They pioneered new subgenres and ideas that have been hugely influential for everything that came afterwards.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 16 hours ago

since our modern understanding of the scientific method didn’t really exist back then,

Didn't exist when Mary Shelly did either...

That's my point, by it's very nature "the first scifi" isn't a fixed date due to scientific advancement.

Agriculture is a science, and it was a bigger deal than electricity when it was new, but we don't say every story with a plow is scifi anymore.

Hell, look at Jason and the Argonauts using bleeding edge navigation skills to travel to far off lands we couldn't imagine. The only difference is water instead of space.

This isn't a new process, we're talking about where modern humans draw a line that's been redrawn since the dawn of humanity.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -1 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

It's been a long journey since:

If we count Frankenstein as scifi…

Then stuff centuries earlier also count as scifi, and she’s out of the discussion again.

But I'm glad you understand now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago

Like, I think your conception of science fiction is very specific, and that's fine. I'm guessing you really love sci-fi and feel strongly about it, and you think this shit is just weird af. The general consensus is that Frankenstein is the first novel to really be considered science fiction and not, say, proto sci-fi, and there are plenty of reasons why people think that which you can read about if you care to. I personally feel like Frankenstein is science fiction because it explicitly uses a contemporary understanding of science and the modern scientific method to tell a story about something that had previously been entirely supernatural—the creation of new life. You have your reasons for disagreeing with that. I don't know what those are, but you've got them and clearly feel pretty strongly about them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Seems like you got pissy.

I used Shelly dude to the prominence of her being called "the first sci-fi author" as an example as to why it wasn't created by poor meth heads.

YOU took issue with that.

What are you trying to prove?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

What are you trying to prove?

What I just quoted and you just agreed with...

If we count Frankenstein as scifi…

Then stuff centuries earlier also count as scifi, and she’s out of the discussion again.

I'm not sure why you're upset with me, now that we're on the same page...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 16 hours ago

We're not. And my point has always been your initial comment in this thread is false at best.