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[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 year ago (3 children)

At that point you should just get a tankless and never have your shower cry sessions interrupted by cold water again.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But the cold is where I want my emotional state to end up.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

[insert Linkin Park's "Crawling"]

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Every tankless I've used has been a piece of crap. Constantly breaking down. Heat surging and going cold in the shower. Outright just not heating water. All within 2 years of install. Never again. Tanks only for me from now on.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That just killed one of my personal goals, thanks.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I ended up getting 2 hot water tanks and putting them in series. Endless hot water doing it that way. I've also plumbed it so that if one fails I can adjust a few valves and run on one tank until I can fix/replace the other.

I should note, I live 160km from the nearest city so I can't just call a guy out to fix things.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Couldn't you have just run it in parallel and have a T split with valves on the intake and output? In order to drain a side for repairs you could just close the working side off and void it normally. In series just seems like a weird choice to me.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah, series sounds like an awful idea.

Unless they are weak as sht, and the water needs to be heated twice to get up to temperature.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I talked to a plumber and it's what he recommended. I decided to not to question someone with far more experience than me. Your solution would probably work too.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

As a Dutch person I've never seen a water heating system with a tank like in the US, we all use boilers and they are fantastic. Boilers are harder to use in "big" homes though.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You haven't been to Europe then. I have a boiler in my basement which delivers hot water for two bathrooms and a kitchen as long as I want with constant temperature and never breaking down. That's not even something special just the standard.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

If you live in an area with hard water, you are suppose to descale the heater at least once every year by flushing the system with some citric acid solution, otherwise you may get irregular hot water flow.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

That's amazing. I mean, I haven't seen/heard of a tanked hotwater heater in my country in decades, outside of increasingly infrequent rooftop solar heated tanks.

We've got instant gas, but I suppose most are electric now. Been running for decades with only needing to be adjusted between summer and winter temps sometimes.

Tanks are just... Useless. Takes up space with no benefit. Tanks use more power or gas. They fail more often (despite your personal experience).

If your tankless system is lasting less than 20 years, you're doing something wrong. If your tankless isn't giving steady water temp nonstop, you're doing something wrong. I mean, those are two of the main benefits they have over tanks. That, and cheaper to run.

Their only advantage is they're cheap to buy and cheap to install.

It's the cheap boots issue.

You save money up front and so you waste money long term.

Or, you buy good boots that last.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boots_theory

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Dang that sucks. My house came with some kind of Rinnai unit and it's worked pretty well. I clean it out with a special chemical wash every year or two and it's been great. Every now and then it decides it doesn't want to go, but I just unplug and plug it in and it's good for the next few months.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'd rather be able to shower with no power tbh..specifically opted for at.ospheric for that reason. Much cheaper to buy upfront and works in the event of big storms etc.. tankless can suck my dirty nuts but I see the appeal, kinda..

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unless you're showering in the basement, then your pump doesn't work, and you'll flood the basement as soon as you fill up the waste water tank.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

That's... what?

In my home there aren't any pumps.

Water comes in, under pressure, from the city to my water outlets around the house.

Waste water goes down a drain and out into the cities sewage system completely by gravity.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Does the hot water heater also use the pressure from the main line?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's how all hot water heaters work. His just uses natural gas instead of electricity.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

A gas water heater is still going to have an electric start.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

My gas hot water heater does not have an electric start.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not if it's a tank system. They can, but they don't have to, since the pilot stays lit all the time. A tankless system has to use some power since it cycles every time you use it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Our tankless system has a pilot that stays lit all the time. 🤷

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

None that requires the house electricity. Piezo, batteries easily work.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Some use a 9v battery on their starter.

Regardless, you can just use a match if you want to.

In either case, they don't require mains power.

(Sure, there are different models, etc. but it's not a requirement that all have an electric start, or a mains electric start)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So... Shower with no power. Instant gas heaters are the best option. Cheap to run, steady temp, no electricity needed.

Well, once in one place I rented I had to change the 9v battery that was used to light/spark it, but otherwise, no electricity needed at all.

Don't have household gas? Just connect it to a gas bbq bottle. For me, I had to swap it every month, but for a family, I'd probably get a bigger canister. They're all fairly cheap to refill-swap.

Tankless are so much better in every way.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd love to see a tankless that you can run without power, also please don't hook up a natural gas tankless to propane..

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, it was just a common off the shelf unit, wasn't anything special, but I don't live there anymore. I can msg the landlord to get a photo or something of the model number if you want to buy one?

I mean, what does it need power - beyond the 9v battery for the starter - for?

And as for propane, why not? That's what they're designed and built for. You're weird.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Inducer motor for starters. This blows hot gasses outside. Circuit boards need power, the switches and relays on the boards. There's programming and timings that are on the boards. Most models now also have wifi modules too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wut? No. None of that.

Programming for what? What switches and relays? You have no idea what you're on about. 🤦

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you talking tank, or tankless. Tankless gas all of that

Tank can easily have none except solenoid in valve

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Goddamn you're an idiot. Were your parents more inbred than the Habsburgs?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Actually, you're a waste of time. Get fucked and be added to the Blocklist

Stop being a useless human

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

No, you're being added to the blocklist!

😂 Fuck me that's such a dumb, childish thing to say, since you obviously didn't. You just said it because you're having a little toddler temper tanty. 😂🤦

Go on. Block me. Do it. Stop talking about it like anyone cares about you or anything you say.

You have no idea what you're talking about, so fuck right off. Go on. Get out of here.

"Be added to the blocklist" 😂 ah, fuck me that's some funny shit.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Wanna actually say what the fucn you're talking about or are you just talking half words to cause confusion

ALL tankless heaters need power and have electronics and circuit boards. Idiot.

Tanks can easily require no power.

The fuck are you smoking and why are you still replying and now just insulting me for no apparent reason other then because you're a child.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Look at you, making up lies to try not sound like a complete retard. 🤦 Goddamn you're an idiot.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Are you on the blocklist yet?

No u.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

While the place I previously rented used a 9V battery as its only source of power, I double checked our current tankless hotwater heater.

No mains power, no battery. No electronics, no circuitry.

Just gas and water.

Fuck you're dumb. 😂🤦