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I hate how “anti-war” has been hijacked by these people to mean, let imperialist countries invade whoever they want with no consequences. (in the case of tankies, any imperialist country that isn’t in NATO).

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I see you are not fond of citing sources that can be verified. I don’t have such misgivings:

The Spy War: How the C.I.A. Secretly Helps Ukraine Fight Putin

For more than a decade, the United States has nurtured a secret intelligence partnership with Ukraine that is now critical for both countries in countering Russia.

The underground bunker, built to replace the destroyed command center in the months after Russia’s invasion, is a secret nerve center of Ukraine’s military.

There is also one more secret: The base is almost fully financed, and partly equipped, by the C.I.A.

“One hundred and ten percent,” Gen. Serhii Dvoretskiy, a top intelligence commander, said in an interview at the base.

But the partnership is no wartime creation, nor is Ukraine the only beneficiary.

It took root a decade ago, coming together in fits and starts under three very different U.S. presidents, pushed forward by key individuals who often took daring risks. It has transformed Ukraine, whose intelligence agencies were long seen as thoroughly compromised by Russia, into one of Washington’s most important intelligence partners against the Kremlin today.

The C.I.A.’s partnership in Ukraine can be traced back to two phone calls on the night of Feb. 24, 2014, eight years to the day before Russia’s full-scale invasion.

That’s a lot of cookies 🍪 and Fremdschämen

No doubt Putin and Russia were meddling in Ukraine before 2014; but let’s not pretend NATO and the U.S. did not influence the situation.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The C.I.A.’s partnership in Ukraine can be traced back to two phone calls on the night of Feb. 24, 2014, eight years to the day before Russia’s full-scale invasion.

Those phone calls, as I already mentioned, did not reveal a secret CIA partnership with Ukraine. They revealed the US was not up to date on what was happening at the time and that they were in the beginning stages of figuring out what to do in Ukraine. Russian propaganda claims otherwise but there's never been any evidence of that.

The CIA building a bunker to run ops from makes sense since Putin immediately invaded Crimea and sparked the Donbas war. That was built well after the revolution had already taken place. It is not evidence of meddling before or during the revolution.

I see you are not fond of citing sources that can be verified

Here it is: https://www.democracynow.org/2014/3/3/who_is_provoking_the_unrest_in

Taken from Wikipedia: "Russian propaganda" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity#%3A%7E%3Atext=%5B337%5D-%2CRussian+propaganda%2C-Russian+propaganda+portrayed

It's really not that difficult to find. At this point you're just spewing nonsense. Time for a block.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Nonsense? Is the National Endowment for Democracy’s role after the Orange Revolution and before the Euromaidan nonsense?

Perfecting ‘Regime Change’ in Ukraine

Oh look, actual Nazis.

Underlining the Endowment’s insidious true nature, in a 1991 Washington Post article boasting of its prowess in overthrowing Communism in Eastern Europe, senior NED official Allen Weinstein acknowledged, “a lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA.” source

Sorry I irritated your cognitive dissonance. Best of luck 🤞