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TenForward: Where Every Vulcan Knows Your Name

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I can't be the only one who remembers Trekkies legitimately bitching about Tuvok because "Vulcans aren't black."

Like... really? You've been there and checked this out for yourself? Or is it that most (and not even all) of the handful of Vulcans you saw so far were white?

[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Tuvok is the best depiction of a Vulcan in all of Star Trek too and I will die on this hill (Spock is half human, so I am not counting him). Tuvok seemed to me like he found humans (and Neelix) to be illogical, difficult to understand, and somewhat annoying; but nonetheless he couldn't help but like them as well, though he wouldn't admit that to them (tangential hot take: Vulcans claim to suppress their emotions, but they still make decisions based on emotion and rationalise them as being based on logic after the fact)

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

Overall I like Tuvok as a character. My problem with Tuvok is they write him as if Vulcans have no emotion. He even says that.

Vulcans are supposed to have such strong emotions they need to constantly keep them under control and use logic to make decisions because the emotions cause them to make bad decisions.

I think that's a lot more interesting for a character. Nemoy said he played Spock as a guy who was constantly in wonder at things and keeping it under control.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

With few exceptions, they're also supposed to also have mastered their emotions very handily. Partly fue to exceptional biology. Not absolutely constantly be on the verge of breaking into tears or a rage, a la Enterprise.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Sure. My problem with the writing is they write him like he doesn't understand emotions having never had the them. When it should be the opposite.

He should be more like an alcoholic who doesn't drink anymore. Still understands what it's like to be drunk or hungover.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Spock was written the same way in TOS and he's half-human.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

He wasn't though. That's a bit of a cultural myth like "Beam me up Scotty." Watch the show and you will see he clearly has emotion he just doesn't let them control him.

His joy when he learns he didn't kill Kirk. His enjoying verbal sparring with Mccoy. The spores removing his control. The look on his face when something strange and new is on the view screen.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 weeks ago

No, I mean not understanding emotions.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 weeks ago

One thing I think that determines if something is good or bad sci-fi is if the components of the show can be used to look at us humans to improve ourselves. An alien race that doesn't have emotions doesn't give us a vessel to use to discuss issues humans have and how we can improve. A race with very strong emotions who have recognized making decisions with emotions as a basis, rather than logic, is dangerous is useful as a tool to teach lessons.

This is what makes Star Trek good sci-fi and Star Wars bad sci-fi. There are very few lessons to learn from Wars, if any. Almost all of Trek is in service to this (at least in the good shows). It's also why the books of Dune are good, but the 1984 version sucks. The miniseries I think are underrated and more people should give it a try. (It's very campy. Just a warning. If you can watch old Trek you'll be fine though.) I'm yet to make up my mind of the new Dune. It's entertaining, and seems to maintain most of the message from the books, but we're yet to see.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Does Tuvok actually say Vulcans have no emotion? I recall no such thing. I recall them suppressing emotions and not displaying them, but the lore was always that they were a really violent society up until they invented meditation, basically. Right?

Anyway, no matter why or what for we know they technically have no emotions in a practical sense, but Tuvok still displays understanding of the importance of emotions a lot of the time.

Like in this clip

Like "logically" (the "logic" in the show is usually slightly reductive) dancing for someone doesn't change anything. But... we know that it does. So it is logical to do that even if you don't feel the emotions to do it. Although Tuvok does, he just suppresses them, like a good Vulcan.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 weeks ago

Vulcans lie constantly to themselves and others.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You know what really grinds my gears about Vulcans? According to Trek lore their blood is green because they evolved using copper atoms to bind oxygen in the blood. But if that were the case they should have hemocyanin, and their blood should be blue.

I know for a certainty, however, that any inhabitable worlds we might find in the future will definitely look like a sound stage populated with Styrofoam boulders

Anyway, hardcore fans are dumb. I should know, I was one

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 weeks ago

Not dumb, but it makes it impossible to love Star Trek for what it is. A goofy show that takes itself seriously about space socialism. And it's incredible at that.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

Tuvok is black!?!?! I thought he was a Vulcan! I suppose the next thing you are going to tell me is that Odo isn't a Shapeshifter?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

The same people now whine about there being black dwarves in rings of power

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 weeks ago

You're presuming a lot here. Like that anyone watched Rings of Power.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I hadn't heard that, but it doesn't surprise me. I remember people not too long ago whining about a black Ariel in the live action Disney Little Mermaid movie.

Because real live mermaids that actually exist are white. Everyone knows that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 weeks ago

And thier skin is all wrinkly from being in the water for so long.