Technology
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Musk has already been banned as a topic on tech communities in 4 instances I’ve seen personally. I get folks are tired of him and I find him insufferable, but he is often relevant (unfortunately) to current events, so I don’t think wholesale bans of him are a good idea. There are plenty of topics I find annoying, but I don’t tell people to ban the topic from the community just for my personal preference.
Like I think trump is a cringe inducing piece of shit and don’t enjoy seeing him everywhere. I’d love a filter, I don’t expect communities to ban him as a topic.
Yeah but relevant to current tech events? Not that often.
It's complicated I guess.
Musk offering starlink access to gaza is tech news, him changing subscription prices for xitter is not.
I guess I just mean that a happening is not "tech" by virtue of musk saying it.
He owns starlink, Twitter, Tesla, and SpaceX. Whether we like it or not all of these have huge bearings on their respective industries.
And before people started hating musk, again rightfully so I’m embarrassed I ever liked him, you couldn’t go a day without something about SpaceX and people getting all excited. This is purely about the person, not the relevance of the topics.
If y’all could somehow come up with a nuanced soft ban on “his personal life“ and politics or whatever, I guess that’s a decent compromise? But that just sounds tedious and people will bicker. And also his politics unfortunately have an impact on how Twitter is run, so you would have to find ways to separate those things out. It’s just seems kind of needless.
I mean imagine if we couldn’t spread the word/learn of what he was doing with his starlink satellites and Ukraine/Russia. That stuff is really important.
The nuanced soft ban you're talking about is just the topic of the community.
When musk does something tech related that's tech. When he does something that's not tech related that's off topic.
Twitter is a social media website it's not tech.
Honestly I think it's weird that people think social media is tech.
The product itself (the code) may be considered tech but the company's/employee's/executive's business/personal/anything outside of the product dealings shouldn't be. If running a website makes any information related to you tech related then literally every company is a tech company. Meta's stock price dropping because Zuckerbot farted in a kindergarten classroom isn't anything tech related. Subscription fees being added or increased isn't tech related.
How would you define tech with regards to social media and how does that definition not include any other company running a website that you can interact with?
Didn't he replied to you with:
Or what you are expecting to get? Just say it yourself already and stop asking to people...
I said the code is the tech and then gave examples of what isn't tech. What else do you want? The dictionary definition is
which points even further away from social media being tech IMO.
The irony here. You've made zero argument other than "not uh!" and expect me to keep repeating what I've already stated in good faith. I focused on social media companies because that's what you had an issue with. Nobody disputes whether companies like Microsoft, SpaceX, Intel, and Apple are tech companies. The dispute here is whether Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, etc are really tech companies and more specifically whether any news surrounding these companies should be considered tech news (which you've already been given examples of) rather than just news about their actual tech products.
Nobody stated that.
Once again I'll ask you to define what you think social media companies are and how that definition doesn't include every other company with a web presence. Are you or are you not able to do that?
Still can't form an actual argument? What seems to be the issue here? You seemed to have such strong convictions in your point of view earlier.
But he replied...
Adding a subscription payment isn't tech, there are more companies than Starlink, Twitter, Tesla, and SpaceX, and we aren't posting everything that a company do, just with Twitter or Tesla because they are popular and Elon Musk a meme... Mercedes for example has better autopilot than Tesla, Porsche has better electric vehicle than Tesla, but I don't see people posting about that every time. I think there is an excessive posting of his stuff, and he just loves to get fame. I suppose that's why he does stupid and crazy nonsense stuff like naming a good and popular brand name as Twitter to X... it's like destroying all what was already built just to keep his name on news.
I'm not an expert to define what is what.
He is relevant because he is rich, and any stupid idea like naming Twitter as X makes everyone talk about it.
→ https://redirect.invidious.io/watch?v=rNVfYWZdKQM
I just think it's a stupid question, not worth to overthink about it. Go ahead where you want to go and don't ask me those stuffs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/tech
I'm just saying that asking that to people makes no sense, just say what you want to say... we aren't here to define what is what but to share our thoughts I suppose... So don't ask me those stuff and just say your opinion or teach us with your knowledge...
Thanks, very useful. But you missed this one https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/tech
Ok sorry, reading it now seems you're trying to relate the "telecommunication" with "social interaction" which could be done physically in person. Is that? Or what you wanted to say with that Wikipedia link?
Well, sorry, I really don't get what you wanted to say with the last link... I hope you do understand what I mean too...
I got about the same out of this guy. He acts so cocksure when dismissing others opinions but can't even seem to formulate his own counterpoint. It's just a one-sided discussion and this person has zero to offer to the conversation other than nitpicking and Socratic questions that lead nowhere.
To exclude social
News about a tech company is usually just business news and not news about tech though. Just like most Twitter news that gets posted on here.
Anything about the daily runnings of a company, it's personnel and other business decisions is not news about tech, no matter what the company is. Tech news should be about the technology. New breakthroughs, new coding language releases, new hardware etc.
Edit: and to be a tech company is a company that creates tech, not always just one that uses it. I could be on the side of social media companies being tech companies, but that doesn't mean all news about said companies are tech news, because they are not.
Only if they become spammy, I suppose. I already sent you this video where explains how Elon Musk is just re-inventing things that already exists, but what he's doing with Twitter seems like a 15 years old kid playing with his new toy... and isn't really doing anything interesting or new to society.
Yeah, I agree, social media is part of tech, it's just spammy.
Yeah right, but you aren't saying it at all, you're just making it long and asking people what is tech... And other people are already telling that anything can be tech too... So the "ban musk spam" is mainly because those news aren't actually any interesting. And I suppose when they say "social media is not tech" they are talking about that they are using tech infrastructures and methods, but the communication between people isn't a tech stuff.
Most of what he does is talking, with a pinch of false advertisement and stock manipulation thrown in the mix.
But I'm happy about any actual developments! I'm super hyped for the next starship launch for example.
I mean anything anyone does on the internet is tech given they do it on the internet.
Musk is largely just being a shitty ceo doing ceo things, kinda notably for cultural reasons, sure, but musk news probably better serves as more business news than tech.