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Don’t underestimate the Rogansphere. His mammoth ecosystem is Fox News for young people
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Yes because insulting the voter base is the way to win their votes. This is why we keep fucking losing. Instead of adjusting we call the voters lonely and stupid. Sounds like a sure fire way to win on the fence voters.
This article is essentially saying anyone that listens to these shows is the problem.
Tbf, anyone listening to Joe Rogan is stupid.
I listen to Joe Rogan
They killed their chance with Sanders who had a better approval rate than Hillary and could have won that election. Thats when i realized the democratic party is GARBAGE.
For me it was when they skipped their primary election, then adopted the slogan “Democracy is on the ballot”.
Like damn that is insulting. I’ve voted Democrat in every election in my life until this one, but I will not put up with gaslighting from anyone no matter how long our history.
Fascists are usually the problem, yea
Now you seem to be implying that anyone who listens to podcasts is a fascist.
Do you ever just take a breath and hold off on what you’re about to say?
No, I'm not, learn to read
Be less ambiguous.
I wasn't ambiguous at all, learn to read
You got me.
This, many people who voted for Trump weren't going to vote at all until Hillary called them deplorable.
She didn't. If they weren't voting for trump she didn't call them deplorable. Also, she was referring to only a subset of trump voters. She said you could separate trump supporters into two groups, one was a basket of deplorables. They seem fine with "murderers rapist and thieves and some I assume are good people ", but "there are neo nazis supporting this man, we need to reach the non nei nazis on his side" is too far.
Regardless, the rhetoric is aggressive and alienating, the opposite of what a candidate who wants votes should be.
I would agree that it was aggressive and alienating. Another issue is that it was extremely easy to take out of context, which it widely has been. It's so it of context that people who didn't know the context proudly labeled themselves as "deplorable" showing solidarity with David Duke. Never realizing that's who the original context was about. But it's hard to speak in a way that will never be taken out of context. "You didn't build that" for another example.
Did Hilary ever actually clear up the ambiguity though or did we have to give her the benefit of the doubt to a degree?
I dont quite understand what she had to gain from making the statement even if it was said different. She had a strange way of carrying herself thats for sure.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basket_of_deplorables
There wasn't ambiguity to clear up in context, but she did regret saying "half" of his supporters. She was clearly never saying all of them. Unless you remove the context.
Okay well how about I say I want to murder someone and later take it back and say I only want to murder their bad half. It still sounds sorta like I feel the same either way right?
You can't say words like clearly unless you know her intent. She was happy to say it at the time, she liked the reaction in the room. Saying later she regretted it could just be an acknowledgement that it caused more trouble than it was worth.
Conversely, she could say, "It was wrong for me to call any group of americans deplorables." If she wanted to be a leader, take responsibility for your mistakes. Using clever words to make it sound like you might have maybe made a mistake but not really, and then acting like the victim of the story isnt a good look.
Edit: after reading the quote, it was delivered as a joke, very similar to the Puerto Rico joke that got bipartisan condemnation in this election.
I think I can say clearly if her words put together never meant all by the definitions of those words.
I'm arguing calling any of his supporters deplorable is a bad move, not that she did intend to mean all. In other words, it doesnt matter because its offensive either way.
Lol you aren't ever going to win that voter base, the fact that you keep trying is why you keep losing.
Quit your bullshit. Dems have never gone after this segment and you know it. What the fuck is wrong with you?
Yeah this thinking right here is what won you that election.
You need to go to bed. You're not making sense.
Riddle me this what is making sense to you in the country currently
You're a bad faith actor. I would never give you the sincerity of real engagement. You would take it as an opportunity to spread your poison. You're not a Riddler.
YoUr tHe pOisoNer. Better to drink what's bitter and accept the truth then dance like a fool for clowns.
You think you're giving medicine.
You're not.
You're an asshole and you enjoy it.
Grow up.
I'm done with you.
Write your response. It won't mean anything to me.
What are you even talking about? Good luck I hope you find a meaningful path.