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[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Once again, a clueless boomer blames games.

How about YouTube? Why aren't we going after Google?

What about Twitter? Musk's platform is filled with extremist hate.

Plenty of extremist diarrhea spewing from the mouth of a President Elect.

It's almost like this kind of content on Steam is a symptom of a bigger problem.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Steam honestly has it really bad. You don't see blatant hate speech in play store reviews but you certainly do on steam. The same goes for their forums, which are almost totally unmoderated. Totally agree tho that this is a symptom of a larger problem and am always wary of the government seeking to impede free speech, even if it's speech I despise. If there are calls to violence and stuff I'm totally cool with that being prosecuted ofc.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes, agreed, it definitely needs moderation. But I don't think it needs singling out (again, not saying don't moderate).

The bigger picture is a proliferation of online extremist speech in general. And yes, Google may have done well to moderate play store reviews (anecdotally), but they certainly haven't done well with YouTube.

But I would suggest that focusing on any one online forum / store / outlet / etc. will naturally miss an important trend, and the reasons for that trend should be understood -- while concurrently doing everything possible to limit this kind of hate online.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

I was going to add, as a user of both Steam and YouTube, I have seen far worse stuff in YouTube comments than I ever have on a Steam forum.

I think part of this comes down to the fact that disgusting, hateful comments will pop up on almost any YouTube video in the comment section, but you actually have to navigate to Steam forums with this content.

So, YouTube comments are thrown in your face and hard to not see, as they are right below the video, but Steam forum comments are at least hidden behind a few layers of clicks.

I agree that singling out Steam as if it's the main problem, isn't going to fix anything, at all.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Absolutely those platforms are a bigger problem, but your argument isn’t a very good one. Yes, we should go after those platforms. Yes, we should also go after Steam. Whataboutism never solved any problems.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I think you missed the first sentence of my comment. Games have been blamed above other media for years and years and years. That is not whataboutism.

Edit: or the last sentence for that matter.

It's almost like this kind of content on Steam is a symptom of a bigger problem.

I never suggested that Steam doesn't need improvement. There is extremist content being posted. But it is definitely part of a larger (frankly, much more obvious) problem. Calling attention to a root cause is just not whataboutism.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

From another article talking about this:

For years, Sen. Warner, a former tech entrepreneur, has been raising the alarm about rise of hate-fueled content proliferating online, as well as the threat posed by domestic and foreign bad actors circulating disinformation. Recently, he pressed directly for action from Discord, another video game-based social networking site that is hosting violent predatory groups that coerce minors into self-harm and suicide. He has also called attention to the rise of pro-eating disorder content on AI platforms. A leader in the tech space, Sen. Warner has also lead the charge for broad Section 230 reform to allow social media companies to be held accountable for enabling cyber-stalking, harassment, and discrimination on their platforms.

The linked Section 230 Reform details

He's targeting all kinds of social media, not just gaming platforms.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Then, good. I just hope they're being tackled by order of affected users.