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I don't think that's contradictory at all though.
Geordi wanted to be able to see [naturally], but his visor is superior to human eyes in that it can see things that humans can't naturally see.
To put it a different way: a person with advanced bionic legs that never tire, could run far faster than any natural human, and bend in ways that human legs can't, would have superior legs. But there wouldn't be anything wrong with their stance if they said "yeah but I just want normal human legs".
Geordie's new eyes were still bionic though weren't they? It's been a while, but I'm sure I remember him using them to search for someone in the movie.
Yes, they're still bionic
we are nitpicking here, but if i amputate your hand and stitch can opener at its end, you can now do something normal human hand cannot, but i don't think anyone would call that superior, or prefer it to their own hand.
if geordi decided that after considering all factors, he would rather have normal eyes, then that is definition of "not superior" to me.
and just a reminder that this is the extraordinary experience we are talking about. i am definitely choosing my eyes 😆
I mean a can opener is very different, no? Or at least it is when I try to put myself in those shoes.
A can opener can open cans but nothing more. Sure you gain one piece of functionality, but you lose others.
Geordi's visor was a bit different in that he could see the visible light spectrum, but also a bunch of other stuff.
he could not: https://i.imgur.com/dlVpyIo.mp4
would you want to see like that? i mean if you were born blind and this was your only option, it is definitely better than nothing, but other than that, it is hard no from me.
That's a visual representation, in the visible light spectrum, of what he sees. He would see it differently than what appears on the viewscreen.
There's also nothing there that shows or says he can't see the visible light spectrum.
there is, it is exactly there on the screen, his perception of visible spectrum is just one step above nothing. would you want to see like that? accompanied by occasional technical problems and pain? would you call that superior to your eyes?
that is just unfounded assumption, if you want to argue like that, you can make up literally anything and the discussion loses sense (not that the level of sense was very high anyway 😆)
But that's not how he sees, or how any of this works 🤦
Things that see stuff in the (to us) non-visible spectrum don't see it in the visible light spectrum.
An insect that sees ultraviolet light doesn't see it how we see it when we apply a camera filter to view it. That's just the camera shifting it to our visible light spectrum, because we can't see ultraviolet.
A screen showing an image in ultraviolet light would not be usable to us.
The viewscreen Picard was looking at wasn't magically adding cones to his eyes and allowing him to see a wider range of the light spectrum. It was showing a representation in the visible light spectrum of what the visor can detect.
the insect's brain evolved to process insect's available sensory input, so did human's. so geordi would see exactly the same reducted picture that we see on the viewscreen, because that is the only thing our brain knows how to do.
and you are still narrowing this discussion to subset of the facts. there is still the fact of visor being piece of technology that can be lost, malfunction, causes occasional pain and allows its wearer to be hacked by romulan intelligence. i don't call that superior to my eyes.
anyway, i don't think we will progress further in this discussion, so until next time 🖖
Incorrect. There have been humans born with an extra come in their eyes due to a mutation, and those people could see extra colours. There are people who get damaged lenses on their eyes that let them see a bit of ultraviolet.
Yes. And there are ways in which it's superior. Data called them superior too. It's not wrong to call it superior.
there is no way to know what they see and how it differs from normal sight.
yeah, this whole discussion started by me pointing this fact and the consequent contradiction. nice circle you have there.
the only person in the world who was qualified to decide that abandoned it as soon as he could. that makes it very wrong to call them superior.
Of course there is. When shown both, they can discern the difference, proving they look different. If they looked the same, they would not be able to discern the difference.
But there's not really a contradiction. Plus I'd appreciate less passive-aggressiveness. There's no need to be angry just because you're mistaken.
?? Explain how he abandoned it? He kept bionic eyes.
Considering it was explicitly stated to be superior, he could see more, he turned away from wanting natural sight, and he stuck with bionic eyes, I think you are very much mistaken there.
when your arguments get rejected, you try to make me angry by saying "calm down"? that is pretty pathetic discussion tactic.
VISOR:
no reasonable person consider that superior to human eyes, which is why there weren't people standing in line to gouge their eyes out and replace them with visor.
i don't plan to run in circles with you until xmas, so bye and welcome to my blocklist
You made statements that I disproved (e.g. that human brains are incapable of processing anything not in the visible light spectrum), then you became aggressive that I did so.
Yes there is.
Rarely, but yes. So can normal eyes though.
See above.
Yep.
Yep.
None of that means they're objectively inferior.
Geordi wanted to keep his visor and bionic eyes.