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God, I feel for Zelensky... Imagine fighting for your existence against Russia and having to talk to these morons for help.
Remember when we had a whole impeachment hearing against Trump for withholding aid to Ukraine so he could get a political hit piece on Biden? I'm wondering how long it will take before a quid pro quo scenario pops up again. Either in Ukraine or elsewhere. So ya, we're all feeling for Zelensky in the next few years.
There will be no agreements.
trump is going to change US policy to excluding all intelligence and military support and will "leak" all known military intel to putin.
As though nobody considered what he was actually doing with all those confidential documents.
Don't worry. He was just confused last time and totally will never steal and leak sensitive information ever again because that would be against the law. Just like he won't extend his presidency or rig an election because that would violate the constitution.
We've been seeing this shit for months. At first I thought it was just contrarian dumbasses. But I have increasingly realized that this is people convincing themselves that it was fine to vote for trump. Oh, he wasn't REALLY going to do anything to violate teh constitution when he led an armed insurrection against the capital and was just buying time for rudy g to solve things. Oh, he isn't going to serve the country to putin because all those heroic men and women in uniform will stop him this time for real.
It is fucking idiocy.
As a 4th generation veteran, it makes so angry to think how many people died in the name of democracy and suddenly half the population is choosing for someone intending to end it to run the show.
We’re in for some dark times ahead.
And a lot of those people are the children of parents that fought/died in WW2 against the Nazis, and had family or children even that fought/died against dictators like the one they fucking elected!
Not only that, but they tried to overthrow the government their family died defending for this charlatan. It's so pathetic my brain goes in loops trying to understand the absolute madness of it.
With everything else, I somehow forgot about those documents
And all those 5* Generals and going to stand by and salute ?
You really don’t understand America .
Someone in another thread said that Trump could fire generals until he gets someone who is willing to use troops domestically.
He honestly wouldn't need to.
In a past life I worked with a LOT of senior military folk for the purpose of grants and funding and the like. And basically anyone (guesstimating) above the rank of a Captain equivalent (outside of SF) is basically a lifer. And they very rapidly learn how political the upper echelons are and that they need to stay as neutral as possible to get further promotions and have good assignments.
I could very much see various Lieutenants and even some Captains complain about leaving the Ukrainians to die. They will then be immediately told by the nearest Major or General that they are a disgrace to the uniform for refusing orders and blah blah blah. And that will propagate down the line so that the NCO who is ACTUALLY valued for their initiative understands that they will be brought up on treason if they violate these orders.
Because those Generals? They build their entire lives around always being able to say "I was just following orders". They KNOW when you get things in writing.
That’s not even worth comment. Was it LemmyUnder11 or something ?
A president can’t a fire a general. He cannot fire a dozen generals an retain control of the military.
The president can't? Let's see of the Supreme Court has anything to say about that. Right now, I'm not confident the word can't is in their dictionary as far as a president is concerned.
Since Trump technically can't commit crimes as a president, nothing is stopping him from killing the generals until they comply.
Theres an unfortunate autocorrect there that confuses my point :
The president CAN fire a general, but he cannot fire 12 generals . That’s the point I want to make.
You're right.
Just like none of us understood when they all sat with their thumbs up their asses waiting to see how January 6 would shake out. But hey, that is fine. It was because they were waiting for orders from the POTUS or the VPOTUS... that the VPOTUS had a lynch mob and compromised secret service agents hunting down.
But hey, I want me some salmon so Support The Troops God Bless America We Are Number One Make America Great Again, right?
Honestly mate I’m I don’t mean to rude, but you haven’t got a clue, have you ?
the Military industrial complex is making bank. The military is fighting Russia on the cheap, without a single soldier lost, and its strangling the Russian economy.
You think anyone is going to interrupt that ? Be allowed to interrupt that ?
Ah. So they are going to fight to save the economy, not the country.
That is at least somewhat believable. Except... it isn't like we are going to pay them less. And that still involves military officers revolting unless we live in a world where you think Lockheed Martin have secret kill switches in... I don't even know what. The cell phone trump uses to talk to putin?
Impeaching him might be on the docket, if the Republicans really want Vance in the puppet seat. I think they'd rather manipulate him than whatever fucking impending shit-splosion Trump will become about 3 minutes in.
I think Vance might at least be convinced to do logical things. We know that isn't happening with Donny.
He's more likely to competently implement project 2025. Or at least more competently than Trump.
And that's not a good thing for anyone.
I go back and forth on which is more dangerous.
trump is pathologically incapable of not backstabbing everyone around him and people telling him what to do is going to accelerate that. So we might get lucky and go back to the largely ineffectual screaming of the last round rather than focused efforts.
But vance actually has ambitions and might want to be his own person. And vance is REAL stupid.
I think we are horribly fucked either way but I think I am still leaning toward trump surviving until late 2028.
I firmly believe that Trump will be removed before his term is done. One because Republicans kind of need someone after Trump. But the bigger reason is he is such a narcissist that he is almost certain to step on a few billionaires toes. I think if he accidentally fucks with big money with some short sighted policy he will be swiftly removed.
Removed by who?
trump controls the military. And as much people think the evil space lizards control the universe, that really isn't the way. And there is zero cahnce that the secret service or even the CIA are going to allow trump to put two in the back of his head and then commit suicide by hanging himself off the roof of the white house.
Vance and or the apparatus enabling Trump.
Elon can't take his place... but him, and a few other billionaires can easily put enough pressure for him to be replaced if/when he betrays one of them. Probably because something they were involved with goes bad and he tries to throw them under the bus.
Again, trump controls the military.
And if they try to get too pushy? Official Act them.
I think this is unlikely but is still the most likely way he could be contained or even removed
There may exist a scenario where north korea is trying to build something that looks suspiciously like an Ohio class submarine and he has a strange golf bar appear on his desk.
Zelensky probably spent the whole call wondering if it would be faster to just hand deliver everything they talked about directly to Putin.
I'm sure his conclusion at the end was "We need to build nukes immediately".
I’m sure they will help, “Just give Russia what they want, war over, problem solved”
My guess is Trump essentially extorted him in the namel of "making a deal" in exchange for American aid.