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[–] [email protected] 87 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Tipping is bullshit. Restaurants should pay their workers properly. But I’m not gonna punish the server for that. She has zero control over that.

If I can’t afford to tip then I just don’t go to the restaurant. People would prefer to make up excuses for why they don’t wanna tip and how that doesn’t make them an asshole while taking huge huffs of their own farts. If you don’t like the tipping culture just go to a fast food restaurant or make your own food. Why is everybody such whiney bitches about everything?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Can you just not tip? We live in a tipping society too, but tipping is just goodwill. Like if your waiter is really nice, and the whole thing was 115 dollars, you might give him 120 and he can keep the difference. Sometimes just a roundup, fromm 5.60 to 6 bucks or something. But it's not expected.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

Presumably, your country pays its servers a living wage so they don't have to scrape by on tips. This has been the state of the US labor market in most non-fast food restaurants for decades:

A tipped employee engages in an occupation in which he or she customarily and regularly receives more than $30 per month in tips. An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 per hour in direct wages if that amount combined with the tips received at least equals the federal minimum wage [$7.25 per hour]. If the employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 per hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference. Many states, however, require higher direct wage amounts for tipped employees.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Drag never tips while eating out.

Drag also lives in a country with a livable minimum wage and no tipping culture.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well yeah, if you live in a country where they make a decent amount so that tipping isn’t necessary for them to be able to eat that day then of course you shouldn’t have to tip. That’s the way it should be everywhere. But in many countries like the US this isn’t the case, and tipping has been used as a way for restaurants to pay next to nothing to employ people and the servers are at the mercy of kindness from the people serving them. Lots of these people think that they should just be slaves that serve them for free and justify it by blaming the restaurant, which is just shifting responsibility and making weak excuses for being entitled and cheap.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 month ago

Drag remembers being a pre-teen with little understanding of the world, and going onto internet forums. Drag would sometimes take advice from Americans, who felt very strongly about what they were saying, and then get in trouble because that's not how we do things here. The Americans didn't clarify their advice was only for Americans. And drag was just a kid, so drag didn't know any better. It's not like drag made an account and commented, drag was just reading what a bunch of supposedly wise adults had to say about life and the world.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago

A small Asian country

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If you don’t like the tipping culture just go to a fast food restaurant or make your own food.

You know in other countries there's restaurants that specialize in different dishes. They make stuff that you might not know how to make. They make stuff in bulk that's hard to make to-order. There's a lot of reasons why you might eat out rather than make it yourself.

Tipping isn't essential to this place. If you specialize in making pigs feet and you open a pig feet restaurant, you can charge people whatever you want them to pay for your pigs feet, and if they want it they pay it. But if you expect to hire waitstaff to do all the customer service, you better pay them a fair portion of what you're charging customers. Giving them pennies and then telling customers "Oh just pay the help whatever you want, it's extra" is just fucking evil. But instead of one shitty business model drying out, it became the norm in only your country.

Yet another case of a stupid american not understanding how the world works outside of america.... no vision of how things could work otherwise. Just arrogance and contempt.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I don’t live in the US bro. But this post is obviously about tipping culture in the US. This is not an issue in other parts of the world where tipping isn’t expected so that the servers aren’t getting starvation wages.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I'm sorry what? You never lived in the US and yet you're gonna say what you think the solution to tipping culture is? Look I try not to assume that people are American but the alternative to you not being American and making a post like that is you being fucking stupid. Why not just tell people "Just move?"

Although I guess to be honest when I thought I was responding to an American I thought you were an absolute knob too, so maybe you just have that vibe of "I talk confidently about things I don't understand"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I live in Canada. We have the same issue. Why is it that Americans constantly think of the world in terms that they’re the only people that exist in it? Most of you don’t even attempt to not look like total morons. But seriously, go ahead and try to justify not tipping as being anything but you being cheap and entitled. It’s just going to make people think you’re stupid on top of you being cheap and entitled.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Customers are NOT punishing staff by refusing to tip.

Our school teachers all did a great job at getting us to blame other students when when one student did something bad, and the teacher punished all of us for it. My teachers did this gaslighting bullshit many times when I was in school. And now a whole new generation of adults are perpetuating the cycle. But it's wrong.

The restaurant owner is the one to blame for poor wages. The owner will say that the restaurant cannot afford to stay open otherwise. This is probably true. Many -- if not most -- restaurants in america cannot afford to exist unless they effectively steal wages from their workers. We either need legislation to fix this, or we need to let these restaurants die.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

He is the one to blame lol, we all agree.

When you go to the restaurant, pay the food (owner) but not the waiter, you are playing right into the owners game (who is to blame).

So congrats on supporting the assholes creating this economic problem (they can't run a profitable business). Next youre going to tell me human traffickers are the assholes buuut people should just stopped getting trafficked and leave, so that human trafficking stops being a thing. Because power dynamics have nothing to do with this of course.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

So you hate the tipping culture but also hate people who want it abolished. That's just beyond stupid.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No, I hate the people who say they want it abolished and use that as an excuse to not pay their waiters. I made it plainly clear in my explanation, I honestly don’t know how to dumb it down for you anymore man.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Lol yeah the "I went to the restaurant but didn't tip to teach everyone a lesson" is the same as "I voted for the third party to teach everyone a lesson."

No, you gave the restaurant owner their profit and the employee nothing. You helped no one, you taught no lessons, and if we could harness your mental gymnastics as physical gymnastics we would have infinite renewable energy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Since a lot of places require the employees be paid at least minimum wage including tips, it would impact the owner directly and immediately...if everyone stopped tipping.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Keyword if, if everyone voted third party they'd win too, the rub is "that isn't going to happen."

Furthermore, so everyone doesn't tip, now that employer has to pay the guy a whole $43.50 for the day, the employer barely notices and the waiter chooses whether to pay his power bill or his water bill this month.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

I HATE EVERYONE

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Like not tipping is going to abolish anything. You walk in, pay the owner and leave the worker hanging. Why would the owner care?

It's not like all the waiters can stay home waiting for something to change, people gotta live. Stop going to restaurants if you don't want to tip

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

To be fair, that's not the actual alternative for the waiter. The waiter either accepts their income as it is with some people not providing a tip, or they can opt for other employment like the rest of the workforce that isn't tipped. They don't have to sit at home waiting for things to change like helpless puppies.

I'm in California though so we don't have any of that wage fuckery where they can be paid less than minimum wage if tips make up a significant portion of their income. It's $17.55 hour minimum plus tips where I'm at.

I'd really rather see tipping outlawed along with all other obscured fees and just pay what you need to pay to have waiters and charge what you need to charge to have a business transparently printed on the menu.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Ahh yes other employment! How come nobody ever thought of that... Just get another job of course. Taxi driver don't like their wage? Why dont they change jobs. Improper ppe? Just quit. Minimum wage at mcdonalds not livable? Change jobs bro. Bad / dangerous working conditions? You know it... Change jobs! Why do we even bother with oversight like OSHA when all construction workers need is to change jobs when things arent properly done. Contractors will figure it out eventually! California should do away with their pesky wage rules,"to be fair" they aren't necessary, workers won't be sitting at home waiting for it.

It's so ridiculous of an answer ill go back to arguing with those who think they shouldn't tip. We'd all prefer to see it outlawed.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It boggles the mind how someone can dismiss the legislation that enables the exact scenario the person they replied to described. Yes, the best solution is to have a reasonable minimum wage that isn't modified by tips. Then you don't have to leave your job, because they have to follow the law.

...or did you not bother reading past the first sentence?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

because they have to follow the law.

lol I admire your idealism.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Don't like the country you're in? Just move! Homeless? Just quit being poor bro. Addicted to drugs? Just quit! Have ADHD? Just pay more attention in class (thanks mom, that never occurred to me. Heavy eyeroll.)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Why do you hate me for not wanting to tip, and not the employer who does not want to pay a living wage to it's worker because the law does not oblige him to.

Why do you blame me and not the government who regulated the law to allow rich people to become more rich by having part of their salary expenses covered by the public?

This is a perfect example of privatizing the profits and socializing the losses