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Should Donald Trump fail a second time to be re-elected he faces the very real possibility of jail time and massive financial penalties due to the sheer volume of criminal cases and civil lawsuits that are on hold until after the election.

That is the opinion of Syracuse University law professor Greg Germain who explained in an interview with Newsweek that the former president's only path to get out from under the federal cases he now faces is to beat Vice President Kamala Harris in less than two weeks and then push the Department of Justice to drop the cases filed against him.

As Germain stated, the multiple federal cases Trump is facing are solid and his only path to victory may be having them shut down.

Newsweek source: https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-legal-cases-georgia-washington-florida-new-york-stormy-daniels-chutkan-cannon-1974406

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I keep answering the question again and again and it keeps blowing your mind and you think I mustn't mean it.

I want the courts to decide who is guilty and apply the law. No matter who. I don't think ex presidents should be above the law, and very very very much neither did the founding fathers.

What I don't want the courts to do is ignore the law just because someone is a Republican, and you think I can't possibly mean it and that there's a massive gotcha for me because there's a theoretical possibility that a Democrat candidate would go to jail, but the crazy thing is that I really do think that that's how the law should work.

It's called the rule of law, and republicans think it means they can put people they don't like in jail, but actually it just means following the rules irrespective of who the person is.

I don't know why you think someone should escape punishment just because they might be elected, particularly if they're guilty of crimes that are supposed preclude them from being president.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You're misunderstanding me. It doesn't blow my mind that a Democrat should go to jail if they break the law, of course they should.

I wholeheartedly agree that everyone should be subject to the rule of law and that both republicans and democrats should be tried for their crimes. The problem that I don't think you've really accounted for, at least not in your comments, is corruption. I'm sure you will agree that the judicial system in the US is partisan, and guilt can be determined according to ideology.

If courts are encouraged to try cases against candidates for elections, you can guarantee that courts will be used nefariously. There are numerous examples of failed democracies where courts are used in that way to legitimise autocrats.

You would be correct in calling this a design flaw, or an inherent limitation of democracy. It's a complex problem with no good solution.

A few months ago I would have agreed with you that Trump ought to be locked up. If he had been locked up 18 months ago, that would have been fantastic. However, after much thought I've come to the conclusion that the only way forward is for him to be beaten in the election.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You’re misunderstanding me. It doesn’t blow my mind that a Democrat should go to jail if they break the law, of course they should.

Great.

I wholeheartedly agree that everyone should be subject to the rule of law and that both republicans and democrats should be tried for their crimes.

Yeah. This.

A few months ago I would have agreed with you that Trump ought to be locked up.

Aw, shoot. (Not literally, of course.) And we were getting along so well.

If he had been locked up 18 months ago, that would have been fantastic.

Hooray!

However, after much thought I’ve come to the conclusion that the only way forward is for him to be beaten in the election.

Dangit. He should still be locked up. Republicans will be outraged. Outraged, I tell you, every time Republican felons go to jail for crimes they did commit, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't happen.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

For the millionth time, locking up a candidate during an election cycle would make the winner of the election an autocrat by default.

You would've become everything you hate about the republicans.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've got bad news for you: Trump is going going to be an autocrat. She should be stopped by the course. I'm not going to become anything, and you bizarrely seem to think that the thing I hate about the republicans is that criminals go to jail, but that's really not anything to do with what I dislike about the republicans.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Stopping Trump with the courts is autocratic.