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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You think, that I think, me personally being vegan will be the tipping point that causes a down trend in your graph?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

i'm saying if what you're claiming is true, then it would follow that the growth of the industry would stop and reverse.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

There aren't enough people eating less meat yet? I don't think a problem of scale makes it futile. You are just assuming it would never grow big enough to affect the line.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You are just assuming it would never grow big enough to affect the line.

i have made no such assumption. teh fact is that it has not, in fact, reduced suffering (if we regard all animal slaughter as suffering, and the most meaningful metric). to continue to claim that it will is just a hypothesis, and continues to be unsupported by the facts.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

My problem is that it could be working now but since theres no proof yet you won't believe it. What if that line starts very slowly flattening out? Is that enough evidence?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What if that line starts very slowly flattening out? Is that enough evidence?

you'd have to show the causal link between vegans existing and the production flattening. what if it's just that we run out of agricultural land, or a meteor strikes a major production region? we need to know what actually causes the change in the graph, not simply speculate that it could be buying beans.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

If we ran out of new land to use wouldnt it plateau?

Isnt the line going up constantly evidence of constant addition of new land to hold more animals?

I suppose they could be getting more efficient but thats the opposite of regulation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

I suppose they could be getting more efficient but thats the opposite of regulation.

whatever you call it, we can't attribute it to vegans.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If we ran out of new land to use wouldnt it plateau?

that's the assumption I'm using.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

When we run out of land, won't we have to replace land used for meat production for land for plant production so we can continue feeding an expanding world?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean I don't know: these are some pretty wild hypotheticals we are concocting.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

I didnt know you'd think it was so wild. I guess we have plenty of land left tk go around for a while?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Isnt the line going up constantly evidence of constant addition of new land to hold more animals?

I'm assuming it is this in combination with new efficiencies (like the swine hotels in China)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Ew, thanks for something new to look up, I hate it!