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People get weird close to the election.
People voting green party did so for a reason. Not everyone fits into perfectly shaped boxes for the 2 party system. Many vote 3rd party for leverage for policy change. The narrative of picking the lesser evil doesn't always apply to the narrative of the individual voter.
We are literally vote in a Hitler figure who is going to build concentration camps and wreck the country or stick with sanity. The lesser of two evils is necessary until the second major party stops running Hitler.
How is Harris a war criminal abroad? In what way do you imagine that Harris administers foreign aid authorized by congress?
If Trump is Hitler, what is Kamala? At least third parties entertain ending wars
Third parties that can never win can in turn not make policy decisions.
A lot of things about foreign policy are based on realpolitik, not ideology. As long as you're not in power, you can ignore realpolitik, and therefore can promise anything you want. Once in power, things are different.
Yes.
Ending wars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_Party_(1943)
Did people who voted for Stein get what they wanted by electing Trump?
No, they got what they wanted by bringing third party candidates to the discussion table so more people would vote third party in future elections.
One day we might even be able to elect a candidate who isn't the "lesser evil"
Literally impossible in the US unless one of two things happen. Either:
Both the current major parties fracture, and the resulting two parties that will occur thereafter align themselves on axes that are dissimilar to the ones that the current two parties are aligned on, or
Laws are passed to remove FPTP and winner take all so that not voting for a Republican or Democrat has an actual influence on the vote.
The current system in the US is statistically proven to result in two majority parties controlling the government. The only effect that voting third-party does now is to spoil the votes for the majority-party candidate most closely aligned with that third-party.
The Labour party in the UK won as a third party in a duopoly system
The rise of Labour happened because of a change in the voting system. The Reform Act of 1918 got rid of property qualifications which previously hindered Labour's base from being able to vote. And even then Labour and the Liberals competing for votes resulted in a decade of conservative government.
One day we might get stv approval voting instant runoff or one of the methods that allow 3rd parties to win push for that at the state level instead of fantasies that can never work
We'll end up with 3 or more while instead of the usual 2.
They did manage that the democrats will never run with hilary again -> If both choices in the current election are shit you can at least try to influence the next one.
Also fuck 'muricas election system. Everything resulting in a 2 Party system is no real democracy.
Did Democrats get what they wanted by running Clinton?
No, she didn't win. Did that sound like a cool comeback in your head?