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[–] [email protected] 102 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

The whole "all AI bad" is disconnected and primitivism.

John J. Hopfield work is SCIENCE with caps. A decade of investigations during the 80s when computational power couldn't really do much with their models. And now it has been shown that those models work really good given proper computational power.

Also not all AI is generative AI that takes money out of fanfic drawers pockets or an useless hallucinating chatbot. Neural networks are commonly used in science as a very useful tool for many tasks. Also image recognition is nowadays practically a solved issue thanks to their research. Proteins folding. Dataset reduction. Fluent text to speech. Speech recognition... AI may be getting more track nowadays because the generative AIs (that also have their own merit, like or not) but there is much more to it.

As any technological advance there are shitty use cases and good use cases. You cannot condemn a whole tech just for the shitty uses of some greedy capitalists. Well.. you can condemn it. But then I will classify you as a primitivist.

Scientific theory that resulted in practical applications useful to people is why the nobel prize was created to begin with. So it is a well given prize. More so than many others.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 weeks ago

Agreed. Which is why we should call it Machine Learning (or Data Science) and continue to torch OpenAI until it is no more.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

'AI hate' is usually connected with insane claims like 'we have "reasoning" model'.

That shit needs to die in fire.

I'm still waiting for the full-planet weather model. That will be something.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm still waiting for the full-planet weather model. That will be something.

That's going to be a hard one, given that past weather patterns are increasingly not predictive of future weather patterns, because something keeps dumping CO2 into the atmosphere and raising the global temperature

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

Ooooopsieeees it was me 🙈

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Generative AI is really causing a negative association with AI in general to the point where a proper rebranding is probably in order.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Generative AI is part to AI. And it has its own merits. Very big merits. Like or not it is a milestone on the field. That it is mostly hated not because it doesn't work but because it does.

If generative AI could not create images the way it does I assure you we wouldn't have the legion of etsy and patreon painters complaining about it.

The nobel prize is not to generative AI, of course, it's about the fathers of the fields and their complex neural networks that made most advanced since then possible.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Let's start by not calling it AI anymore. Cause it isn't.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It has been called like that since the 50s were it could do literally nothing because computer power wasn't enough. It is the field that leads to an artificially created intelligence. We never had any issues with the name. No need for a rebrand.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

What we call AI today is also not going to evolve into an actual AI.

You can call the field of research what you want, but the current products are not AI. Do you also call potatoes vodka?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You sir or madam give me hope that there are still reasonable people on the internet. Well written.

Wait, are you an AI bot defending itself...?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Luckily genAI isn't good enough to sound this real yet... I hope

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

Oh, sure, Mr. Enshittifist, you can call me that.