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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/21396569

Moira Donegan
Mon 14 Oct 2024 06.07 EDT

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (50 children)

I know that the hold that Israel (and the military industrial complex) has on both major political parties is money, Money, MONEY. But there has got to be a breaking point. I thought the breaking point would be the indiscriminate slaughter of innocent children, but alas.

I mean, I will still vote for Harris, because I’m not stupid. I know the alternative is far worse. But I’d rather not have innocent blood on my hands after I fill out that ballot.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago

There isn't a breaking point when it comes to capitalism. More money, and more money than yesterday.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

The slaughter of innocent children makes no difference to sociopaths.

If there is one thing this Genocide on its way to Holocaust has shown us. is that the Democrat Party leadership are without a doubt sociopaths of the worst kind: a normal person with the power they have would not be actively helping it by sending the Neue Nazis the very weapons which they know are being used to massacre children.

There really is no other possible conclusion: no normal person would go "yeah but our campaign contributions from the AIPAC are more important than tens of thousands of dead children" or "yeah but the profits of the MIC shareholders are more important than tens of thousands of dead children".

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If there is one thing this Genocide on its way to Holocaust has shown us. is that the Democrat Party leadership are without a doubt sociopaths of the worst kind

Nah, they're normal people well adjusted to an evil system. The trial of the nazis showed that it wasn't mental illness, just normal people doing very evil things.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's more than that, it's the Petro-Dollar, where the US exploits the Global South with predatory IMF loans, aka Imperialism.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 day ago (28 children)

If you (or anyone else) will never change your vote about it, why would they adjust their position?

You've given them no downside to continuing to support genocide other than the weight of thousands of innocent dead on their consciences. It should be fairly obvious how much that affects them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

What are we going to change our vote to? Only two parties can win this year (let's change that) and the other option is worse on this issue.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'll vote for someone who is vocally and demonstrably anti-genocide. If that's neither of the main parties' candidates that's their problem.

I will not vote for genocide.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Following polls, they would have an upside of about a 6 point boost if they changed on policy. Which is certainly significant with the race as close as it is.

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Our first matchup tested a Democrat and a Republican who “both agree with Israel’s current approach to the conflict in Gaza”. In this case, the generic candidates tied 44–44. The second matchup saw the same Republican facing a Democrat supporting “an immediate ceasefire and a halt of military aid and arms sales to Israel”. Interestingly, the Democrat led 49–43, with Independents and 2020 non-voters driving the bulk of this shift.

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In Pennsylvania, 34% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for the Democratic nominee if the nominee vowed to withhold weapons to Israel, compared to 7% who said they would be less likely. The rest said it would make no difference. In Arizona, 35% said they’d be more likely, while 5% would be less likely. And in Georgia, 39% said they’d be more likely, also compared to 5% who would be less likely.

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Majorities of Democrats (67%) and Independents (55%) believe the US should either end support for Israel’s war effort or make that support conditional on a ceasefire. Only 8% of Democrats but 42% of Republicans think the US must support Israel unconditionally.

Republicans and Independents most often point to immigration as one of Biden’s top foreign policy failures. Democrats most often select the US response to the war in Gaza.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Thank you for compiling this so neatly. It's nice to have this all together.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Unfortunately, there is a downside to allowing Trump to win. It's the trolly problem and yes I will help pull the lever that kills people to keep even more people from dying.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Democrats already started the second genocide in Lebanon.

And soon a war with Iran.

All the "greater evils" of Trump will have been fulfilled by democrats before Trump even become president

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 hours ago

That's just the evil abroad. Trump welcomes evil right here at home.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 day ago (8 children)

They will never negotiate with you, even on genocide, if you vote for them 24/7. Where is the red line?

It took Ronald Reagan one phone call to get them to stop bombing Lebanon.

Margaret Thatcher put a 10-year long arms embargo on them in the 80s.

Modern democrats are worse than Republicans from the 70s.

This can be shown with Biden's draconian crime bill.

his full involvement in the "war on terror".

Kamala ignoring the Supreme Court's decision on releasing nonviolent prisoners after overcrowding, as they were being used for slave labor.

The Marginal tax rate being lower TODAY than it was after Reagan passed his tax cuts.

They will never move to be more progressive if progressives still vote for them.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

Modern democrats are worse than Republicans from the 70s.

Today's lesser evil was the greater evil yesterday.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Then it's not a single lever pull - it's a sum of lever pulls over a long time period.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Americans only care about the slaughter of innocents when CNN tells them to. Y'all murdered my people indiscriminately, and to this day you call us slurs and moralize to the world about not having wars

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

No one knows what you're talking about.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That's pretty telling all by itself. Don't you think?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

No. It isn't. You didn't provide a single real world example or any context whatsoever. I'd call it a straw man argument but you've made no points other than "Americans dumb".

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