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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Those "classically libertarian" values are referred to as "liberal" values today

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Classical libertarians (like from the early 20th century) would be considered anarchists in today’s parlance (specifically anarcho-communists or anarcho-syndicalists)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

I'm aware, I was referring to the values they listed specifically in their comment

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

ah yes my "classically libertarian" brothers vote red up and down ballot. they claim to have those values so they don't get the hose when they visit

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

I think you misunderstood me? My point wasn't that libertarians have those values, because they clearly don't. Modern Liberals have those values.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's good, because actual "right wing libertarians" are just liberals that want to feel special.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I'd care about your opinion on the matter if you could define liberalism.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I'm more curious in your definition actually.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Generally, from what I've gleaned, if a left wing person is using Liberal in a derogatory way, then they are referencing ideologies that prioritize personal liberties and property over greater good. A liberal in that sense wouldn't necessarily like socialist or communist policies that may have more taxes, regulations, or limitations to their personal life. I'm not claiming to be an expert, mind you.

The example I can think of (as I understand it), is say let's use single payer Healthcare. Government takes over, taxes people more, and limits the options and choices of doctors. While in general a greater good, some people who prefer personal freedoms may be upset something that used to be covered or a personal doctor they liked doesn't work under the new setup (like certain homeopathic or chiropractic not being covered as real medicine).

A liberal in this case may value their personal choices as more important. NIMBYs also count; like those who don't want low income housing near their own homes. They may claim to want to support the poor and homeless, but object if it affects their housing values or makes them uncomfortable.

I'm not sure on this next, but I'll add it anyway. The US in particular but other "liberal" countries as well have a history of exploiting weaker/less developed countries for our own comfort. Sure we all say we hate banana Republics and what the US did for those to work, but how many of us would willingly give up comforts we gain from that exploitation?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Sure bud.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

Huh, that's weird. All of those values are the ones "libertarians" also claim to hold!

It's almost like "libertarians" are a kind of liberal to people who know what the word means, instead of having a vague understanding that it means "Democrat"