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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Are Opera and it's derivatives affected by this?

[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Yes. There's only 3 major browsers. Chromium (Chrome), Firefox, WebKit (Safari). Nearly every other webbrowser is a fork of one of these, most are forks of Chromium, including Opera. As such, most webbrowsers will be affected by the change.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Chrome browser = chromium plus Google

Samsung browser = chromium plus garbage

Brave browser = chromium plus crypto and homophobia

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Should probably add this info about Mozilla funding almost exclusively from Google but at least they haven't disabled mv2 extensions yet. Even though they put in a fucking opt-out ad telemetry setting in recent releases.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I don't think it should've been opt-out, but Mozilla's ad metrics development is very much the direction ads on the web should go in. It is impossible to determine who you are from the data. They've truly done a good job on creating an ad model that's privacy friendly, and would be a material improvement to the web.

It's a way to still have ad revenue funding the content we all consume, while also still maintaining privacy. It's a good thing. It's just the opt-out aspect for existing installs that's bad.

That said, I'm personally a proponent of just using adblock lol

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

I also use adblocking at multiple levels so it wasn't a huge thing for me (been blocking Pocket and other bullshit for years at the dns and network levels) but I still feel like Mozilla witnessed Google going for broke with killing mv2 and inline ads on YouTube and decided wellll our existing users probably wouldn't notice or care if we slipped in an opt-out fuckery... But we did. Immediately.

For any browser trying to sell itself as "the only privacy browser on the market" this was a dumb fucking move by any metric. Like why not just openly admit we're going with the Brave browser model?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Is Chrome's ad telemetry opt-in?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

No it's not. But if we're hoping Firefox will be better in some way we'd expect more from them. Wouldn't we?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Brave browser = chromium plus crypto and homophobia

the crypto stuff can be opt out tho

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And yet, the homophobia can't be

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

i didnt mention the homophobia bcs it was unrelated to what i was saying

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

Good, hopefully I can convince my friends to switch over

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

What's duck duck go's browser?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

DuckDuckGo's webbrowser is somewhat unique, in the sense that it isn't its own browser at all. It's a "WebView", using the OS built-in webbrowser with a coat of paint.

This means it's Blink/Chromium on Android and Windows, and WebKit on iOS and macOS.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

depends on the OS!

DuckDuckGo uses the default rendering engine of whatever OS you use it on, so webkit (also used by safari) on macOS and iOS and blink (also used by edge and chrome) on windows and android

even if it uses the same rendering engine on some platforms, it’s not based on chromium, so it’s not a chromium browser

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago
[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Why would you use a Chinese browser?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

what does the browser being Chinese have to do with anything?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You really don't see a problem installing software from an authoritarian regime that spies on basically everyone and everything and has 0 privacy protection?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

the chinese government isn’t behind every software that’s made in china lol

like yea, opera is spyware, but so are chrome, safari and edge, and none of these are made in china

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If you think the Chinese regime isn't using Opera as a potential attack vector then that's just naive. Browsers are very critical pieces of software infrastructure.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

opera sure, but at that point, any proprietary software can be used as an attack vector by the government of the country the software is made in, that’s not specific to china

i don’t see why chrome or safari should be considered more trustworthy than opera just because they aren’t made in china

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You really don't see the difference between a flawed democracy with laws and regulations and an authoritarian regime? Tankie talk much?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

the USA is not a "flawed democracy", its an authoritarian regime that imposes its will on the world through imperialistic means

I don’t care to know if it’s better or worse than the chinese government, both are awful and both will get rid of you if they find you to be enough of a threat. fuck em both. fuck all governments really

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Are you talking about America lol

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Shit Tankies say.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

I don't?

My friends do though sadly

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

imagine opera and opera gx 💀

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Not this with built-in adblockers, despite someone's wishes.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Their adblockers suck though, especially on youtube