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Some of the top browser makers around have issued a letter to the European Commission (EC) alleging that Microsoft gives the Edge browser an unfair advantage and should be subject to EU tech rules.

A letter seen by Reuters, sent by Vivaldi, Waterfox, and Wavebox, and supported by a group of web developers, also supports Opera’s move to take the EC to court over its decision to exclude Microsoft Edge from being subject to the Digital Markets Act (DMA).

As Edge comes pre-installed by default on Windows machines, users must navigate the Microsoft offering in order to download their browser of choice. The letter states that, “No platform independent browser can aspire to match Edge's unparalleled distribution advantage on Windows. Edge is, moreover, the most important gateway for consumers to download an independent browser on Windows PCs.”

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I agree with going after the Edge Lords and making things more fair...but I'm guessing Chrome is the most used we browser by a long shot even on windows so the “No platform independent browser can aspire to match Edge's unparalleled distribution advantage on Windows." part feels like users are comfortable stepping over Edge's corpse to download chrome anyway.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It's true, although chrome has gotten a significant boost from Google promoting it in search and every Google app (which I don't know if they still do).

So chrome beats edge on users, but it's also likely largely because of the unfair advantage it receives/received from that promotion. Those options are not really available to other browser developers (unless Amazon or meta also decided they want a browser for some reason).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Chrome got popular at introduction because it was much faster at loading and displaying websites. Sure, there was a marketing push by Google, but it succeeded on the products merits and not some unfair business advantage. It still is a great browser.

We do need antitrust protections but not always because consumers are getting a bad product. It's more about the balance of power. Maybe their products are good now, or their business practices are fair now to other market actors, but you never know when that will change and then it's too late. It's like you need safeguards against autocracy also when they're genuinely doing good job of running the country, because it's never worth it in the long run when they inevitably start doing nasty shit

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Yes, chrome certainly had other merits too. Neither of us can say with certainty why it succeeded. Personally, I don't think a crap browser pushed by Google would have but also an amazing browser pushed by an unknown independent developer would have either.

Certainly agree with your 2nd point though.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Don't give them any ideas

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If users had a pop-up which allowed them to select more than just Edge or Chrome, other browsers may see an increase in users. Chrome is as much a default as Edge is in that way.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Again I'm in favor of choosing browsers on install, but lots of Chrome installs on Windows is not the same as being the default.

So much so that you even get this annoying popup from Edge when you try to download Chrome with Edge - which should be against the rules imo.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

And try to reset edge as the default every single time Windows updates

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Sorry, I phrased that poorly. It is the default alternative, most users don't bother to look for anything else.

And Chrome also does pop-ups not unlike it when you visit Google websites on a non-Google browser.