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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Discouraging 3rd party voting hurts democrats more than anyone. Studies show that 3rd party presidential candidates largely bring out people that would not have voted otherwise and largely benefit the democratic party down-ballot.

Don't tell your apolitical friend about how they shouldn't vote for Cornel. Don't tell your friend about how voting for a 3rd party is pointless. Don't tell your friend to vote for your person. Tell them to vote.

Edit: here's my receipt.

Independent voters supported Democratic candidates over Republican candidates, 49% to 47%, according to the exit poll by Edison Research for CNN, ABC, NBC, and CBS. According to the AP VoteCast survey for The Wall Street Journal and Fox News, independents supported Democrats over Republicans, 42% to 38% ... While independents nationally voted for Democratic candidates by just 2 points, they supported Arizona Sen. Mark Kelly over Republican challenger Blake Masters by 16 points, Georgia Sen. Raphael Warnock over Republican Herschel Walker by 11 points (in the Nov. 8 election), and, for senator from Pennsylvania, John Fetterman over Republican Mehmet Oz by a whopping 20 points. ( My note on Fetterman, this was before the stroke)

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

And from a casual perspective, telling people their vote is pointless is (a) a way to show them you're an asshole, (b) mostly pointless, and (c) quite possibly true regardless of how they vote.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Its more accurate to say the worth of a vote can approach but never be zero. Maybe people struggle with the fact that in a presidential race, their vote is one amongst tens or hundreds of millions.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What you wrote is true in systems that use the popular vote. It's not true for states that use winner take all under the electoral college.

What's the difference? If you are a minority voter in a non-swing state, your vote is worth zero. That's slightly, but importantly, less than 1/300,000,000.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Is your take that if your vote doesnt go to the eventual winner then its worthless? You factually cannot say that anyones vote is worthless at this point in time.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

On the other hand, I believe we all have a duty to make fun of Russian propagandists

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I like it. Tell them to vote, then encourage them to vote for Harris (especially if you're in a swing state).

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You can try that, but they should be separate conversations. Have one conversation about how voting generally is good. Then have another conversation about candidates. Trying to roll it all in one will still discourage those types of voters for the partisan appearance.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

I like this approach, just encourage people to vote. I don't care who or what you vote for, but take 30 minutes and read up on a few issues and then go participate every single time in all the elections.