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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago (1 children)

what’s your position on western sanctions on russia?

My position is that intentionally attacking civilians with military force is indefensible. I don't know why that's suddenly popular on some corners of the online left.

do you agree with the notion of a blockade but not with the specific group doing it?

I dispute that the Houthis are genuinely attempting to blockade Israel
I dispute that, even if they were, that their actions constitute in any way a viable way to blockade Israel
I dispute that, even if their blockade was successful, that it would meaningfully impact Israel's ongoing genocide, considering that most trade that passes through the area isn't going to Israel, and that the amount of trade that does pass through to Israel through Eilat is not nearly significant enough to damage their ongoing efforts, which are not exactly stymied by a lack of cars from China or a lack of diamonds from India.
I dispute that attacking civilians, a war crime, is morally acceptable. There are laws in the modern day, it's not the fucking Bronze Age.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I dispute that, even if they were, that their actions constitute in any way a viable way to blockade Israel

so their actions are bad because you don't think they'll be effective? honestly, pressuring global trade has historically been a pretty good way of achieving goals in capitalism

I dispute that attacking civilians, a war crime, is morally acceptable.

again, sanctions on russia have definitely killed people

so you're fine with people dying, just so long as they do it from freezing to death in their homes rather than by direct military action?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

so their actions are bad because you don’t think they’ll be effective? honestly, pressuring global trade has historically been a pretty good way of achieving goals in capitalism

Thanks for giving up the game and admitting that you support this not because it blockades under 10% of Israel's trade, but because it disrupts non-Israeli trade.

again, sanctions on russia have definitely killed people

I'm sorry that the words 'attack' and 'war crime' mean nothing to you.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

because it disrupts non-Israeli trade

so, just to set a baseline here, are we agreed that

what israel is doing is bad
stopping israel from doing what they're doing is good
stopping israeli trade might stop what they're doing
therefore stopping israel from trading is good

given that trade is definitionally between two separate parties, one of the countries in the equation has to not be israel

how can you stop israel from trading without impacting other countries?

tldr: the sanctions on russia also have an impact on global trade, so if this is your redline, you should be anti-sanctions

I'm sorry that the words 'attack' and 'war crime' mean nothing to you.

are you saying the blockade is different to sanctions because russia attacked ukraine and is committing war crimes?

i'm not sure if you've paid attention to things in israel recently

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

how can you stop israel from trading without impacting other countries?

tldr: the sanctions on russia also have an impact on global trade, so if this is your redline, you should be anti-sanctions

A desperate backtrack after giving up the game. Sorry that "Let's hurt trade between everyone we can, not just those trading with Israel" isn't what most people would regard as just.

are you saying the blockade is different to sanctions because russia attacked ukraine and is committing war crimes?

Brush up on your English.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

fucking christ can you stop wanking yourself off with rhetoric for 5 minutes and actually address something i'm saying? ta