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Element is launching the world’s first communications platform based on the upcoming Matrix 2.0 release. The result is blazing performance which outperforms the mainstream alternatives - across a decentralised system that enables self-hosting and end-to-end encryption - as well as open standard interoperability to revolutionise real time communication between large organisations.

Built on Matrix 2.0, Element X now rivals the performance of centralised consumer messaging apps, empowering organisations to address the shadow IT issues caused by consumer-grade messaging apps in the workplace.

The new Element communications solution consists:

  • Element X, our next-gen app with an array of new features
  • Element Call fully integrated into Element X, for native Matrix-encrypted voice and video
  • Element Server Suite, our backend hosting solution for powerful admin control and Matrix 2.0 performance
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[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 month ago (2 children)

"invisible cryptography" I sure hope this isn't an empty promise. The number one gripe I have with matrix/element is the absolutely horrendous crypto dance they make you do.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's probably the number one reason I can't convince friends to move over, I know they would bawk at how it makes them do that on every device

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

while I agree that there are too many problems right now, 2 things really can't be avoided:

  • setting up key backup after registration asap
  • verifying your new logged in devices, possibly with the key backup password

well, unless they are fine with using it like signal, which is basically one device only

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Signal can have multiple devices, I have it on my phone and laptop.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

(part 2) technically, though, the other part of it is still the case: if you haven't set yo key backup and you lost your phone, don't be surprised if you can't recover all your messages

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

that must be a relatively new feature

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not really, have used it for years like that. But you need to set it up initially on your phone. The newish feature (less than a year) is that I think they do not require a phone number to set up a new account.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The newish feature (less than a year) is that I think they do not require a phone number to set up a new account.

How do you do that? A few days ago I have registered again, and I didn't see the option. Didn't you perhaps mean that the app can hide phone numbers?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ah that must be it sorry. I thought they had decorelated phone numbers and IDs

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I must mention though that their solution is not really efficient. Everyone's app gets the phone number, its just not displayed anymore. This can be circumvented with a little modification of the app, which is easy because it's open source.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Good to know, thanks!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

I studied cryptography and I can't figure out how to do the dance right. I thought I did, but one of my contacts says they can't read any message I send them. And I can't message them to figure out why.

We haven't spoken since. Thanks Matrix.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What are you talking about? Even before this new “invisible cryptography” you set it up once per device and never have to think about it again.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

except for the "unable to decrypt" errors, and when new invitees can't read previous messages