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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The fediverse will never destroy big tech unfortunately. In their worst case, they will incorporate it and easily dominate.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If not completely destroy it, at least make it irrelevant for those who want to avoid it.

The FOSS movement never destroyed Microsoft, but it arguably made it possible for us to live in a world where Bill Gates owned every PC software that we run.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

In my opinion, the fediverse as it exists today is very vulnerable to domination by big tech. The only reason it hasn't happened yet is it is too small for them to care that much.

If the fediverse ever becomes mainstream, big tech will dominate it. If we want to fight big tech, we need to rethink our strategy and the fediverse, because right now, the fediverse is not ready to take it on.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

How would that happen? If the core idea of "the Fediverse" is to have a loosely-connected network of servers and applications speaking a common protocol, how is it that they would use to "dominate" it?

I am not saying that Big Tech couldn't try to use it "open wash" their solutions, like Facebook and Google did with XMPP before. But what I am saying is that (like XMPP) I think it's virtually impossible for them to "dominate" something that is open.

I'm also not saying that the software we have is ready for the masses (it isn't) but all the issues I see are just a matter of implementation, not a fundamental design flaw.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There's several vulnerabilities:

the fediverse unfortunately remains quite centralized. Most users wanna join the big servers. If it wasn't for the big servers literally driving people away, we would've been even more centralized
most people have no issue with corporate presence in the fediverse. They're okay with blue sky and okay with threads. In fact, clearly Gargaron is okay with meta and threads.
big tech already has a federated server that dwarves the rest of the fediverse combined: threads. Yes it's still not quite there yet, but if they complete its federation, they will dominate it.
gargaron showed he's okay selling out to Meta. What prevents another instance admin? A corporation could easily offer enough money to a handful of instance admins and control all these instances.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This is not answering my question, or we have different ideas of what it means to dominate.

80% of email traffic is either Gmail or Outlook, yet none of Big Tech is able to control it fully. They can not force you to use their email server, and smaller providers still exist and are actually healthy business.

Is it hard to run an email by yourself? Yes. Is it impossible? Absolutely not. To me, that is what matters.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Then yes indeed were thinking differently. To me, email has already lost to big tech. The technical possibility of hosting email is there, but you can't even reach most users of the world without a lot of work.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

What is your idea of "a lot of work"? Because I am perfectly happy with my $19/year service from migadu.com.