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By that definition even the Chinese have freedom of speech.
What we are saying is that you can say anything you want but there should be reasonable limits.
Freedom of speech covers most opinions and ideas except when words present a direct threat to others.
China can and does censor things on a broad scale and as an example, calling the government or dictator stupid would probably get you tossed in jail. That is not freedom of speech.
They said their speech, and got the consequence of being jailed for it, exactly what the comment I responded to said, my point is that freedom of speech doesn't actually exist.
Ok, that is a ton of reading. However, the point of this is to actually define what freedom of speech actually is.
You are free to tell your employer to fuck off and pound sand, but you will get fired. That is a consequence of words. The government won't step in if you weren't threatening anyone. You and your employer have specific rights in that regard.
In the US, you can go on the news and call anyone in the government stupid and they can't do their jobs or that one party is incompetent. You might lose or gain friends from that, which is still a consequence.
Also in the US, if you directly threaten a person with physical harm and if intent of action can be shown, you are going to be arrested. Your words have now become an infringement on the rights of someone else.
I am just clarifying things, s'all.
Having a mouth and being able to speak words is a thing. You are "free to say words" and nobody can legally sew your mouth shut and make you incapable of talking.
When those words become a threat, someone else must now have their rights protected. This is mostly where the limitations on "Freedom of Speech" come from.
I am pulling this conversation back a hair to define what we are talking about as it's easy to mix terms on social media.
A good expression I've heard along these lines is "your freedom to swing your fist ends where my nose begins."