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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Too bad you are getting a fight /s

Crap I hate when nuance gets in the way. So yes laziness can exist on an individual basis. Though would you call this lazy or did his parents fail him. Providing an environment where he was rewarded/coddled without having to put effort in. Also I find that sometimes people like this have undiagnosed mental health issues and are self medicating.

What we are talking about here is laziness as a concept when applied to a group of people. The poor for example. Where is it not their willingness to work that keeping them down, but giving them the label of lazy is justifying not providing them with the opportunity/help that would let them succeed.

If you want to learn more about it. Why it exists, and how it is used to justify the rich and the poor. I would recommend the freakenomics episode. Once you understand it better. You start to see how loaded some of the language and idea society takes as fact are. And by the end you will wonder why are you working so hard.

https://freakonomics.com/podcast/is-the-protestant-work-ethic-real/

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks for the thoughtful response. What you said makes total sense.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Boring cage match, informative read though

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Too me it sounds like an artist who has been shackled by the system, became mentally unwell and began self medicating with weed, but still prideful enough to know that working for the sake of working is wrong and refuses to do it.

I can relate, it sounds like me. Used to be a prolific musician and artist. Loved using my hands. But life had other plans and a lack of medical access cost me my hands. Yay genetics! Now I can never do what I love again and must accept that I must toil my days away just to survive because I could never make my passions profitable. I don't even know if I have undiagnosed mental issues, can't afford to get that checked or fixed even if I could get it checked.

People who spout that others are lazy are blinded to plight of others.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

or did his parents fail him. Providing an environment where he was rewarded/coddled without having to put effort in

As far as I know the research on that topic is inconclusive. One study finds the one thing, the next one the other. It can be harmful to associate reward, attention, affection with effort into or the results of tasks. And it can be harmful to not do it. There are various aspects to this and it's a really complex topic which I don't fully grasped myself. I just want to advise to be careful with such statements as this might foster detrimental parenting and education strategies.