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This operation has the potential to better Ukraine's strategic position greatly. Ukraine winning means the dying of civilians stops. Ukraine giving up would not have the same result.
Did ww2 stop when Germany conquered Czechoslovakia? - No.
Did ww2 stop when Germany conquered Poland? - No.
Did ww2 stop when Germany conquered the Netherlands? - No.
Did ww2 stop when Germany conquered Denmark? - No.
Did ww2 stop when Germany conquered France? - No.
Did ww2 stop when Germany conquered Norway? - No.
Ww2 ended, when Nazi Germany was defeated.
would ukraine winning mean civilians stop dying in the eastern oblasts where the coup regime have been murdering civilians and bombing and shelling them since 2014?
Ukraine winning, Ukraine giving up, Ukraine making a peace deal with Russia, Russia winning - all those options will mean the dying of civilians stops.
The only option where people will continue to die is the option you (probably) support - continuing the war.
That is not my perception.
Russia winning means, the dying will continue in the suppression of their new subjects and in future invasions since this one would have been successful in the end.
How many people have died from "supression" (whatever it means in this context) in the Crimea, that has been occupied for 10 years now?
And the next question - how come this number (is it 0 or more?) is less then the number of civilians (some of whom be Ukrainians or ex-Ukrainians) that died from Ukrainian shelling?
Do you think people should have a choice of dying in this, very real, war, or in some hypothetical could-happen war in the future?
Bro people died defending it and the rest fled so they weren't raped or sledgehammered to death.
What's your solution dipshit.
Are we still talking about Crimea? Because what you are saying is completely false...
Please link some proofs to what you're saying.
Are you honestly looking for proof of the crimean invasion famously costing Ukraine an international airport and many many dead defenders.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Antonov_Airport
The only people who say no one died dispite all evidence otherwise is Russia.
Ed: PS claiming you're Ukrainian is pretty shitty boss, you clearly aren't what's next you have cancer and a Canadian girlfriend?
Are you trolling or something?
We are talking about Crimea in 2014, and you are linking an article from 2022 about Kiev..
6 dead
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation
Try again dipshit, move the goalposts however youd like I'll make sure I refute every single one.
Donbas also 2014 invasion.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation
From the header of the article there were 2 soldiers killed and 2 civilians killed. So equal to amount of people that died just from the Ukrainian shelling of Crimea in 2024 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_2024_Sevastopol_missile_attack. How does it misalign with anything I've said?
Okay sure! First task for you: quote me moving goalposts in this thread at least once :) This has been about Crimea from the start, and you're the one trying to move the goalpost :)
Oops you just moved the goalpost..
Protest is defense dipshit.
No it's been about your nonsensical stance to end a war. Idealistic bullshit isn't going to stop anything. Fighting stopped in 2016.... And started again when Russia invaded a different part of Ukraine. But no, sure they'll never invade again, it's not like they've done it multiple times in our lifetime or anything.
Ed: no moved goalpost for me, my point is they've invaded before, agreed to stop and are yet again invading, thusly your point makes no goddamn sense.
You lie, moskals have been observed to continue stealing, raping, killing and ethnic cleansing long after any hostilities ceased in many armed conflicts before. Their behaviour in Bucha and elsewhere proves they haven't changed one bit.
Oh wow we got some "have to blow off the dust it is so old" racism here