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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Bunkers aren't gonna do shit if climate change really kicks off. None of those assholes can grow their own food or anything else they would need to do to survive longer than your average prepper. They'll make nice targets for desperate people to spend a lot of resources trying to open though.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I know it feels good to think this way but you are wrong.

Salt mines are being bought up and turned into self contained estates capable of self-sustained agriculture and power generation. Not for the general public, but by billionaires terrified of what's to come.

And they're not like you are imagining, cute little bunker homes like those repurposed missile silos.

Nope, they're mini cities, capable of maintaining the families, servants, and guards of the ultra rich for hundreds of years without outside support.

They are already being built, and more we don't know about.

When you have enough money, you can prepare for anything, and the only survivors of the coming economic collapse will be the people inside those bunkers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

they’re mini cities, capable of maintaining the families, servants, and guards of the ultra rich for hundreds of years without outside support.

The slaves are going to revolt nigh-immediately when the government collapses and those riches evaporate without the societal support structure required to mobilize them

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah that's why they hired psychologists to give them tactics to control their guards and slaves.

The answers were:

Keeping family members hostage

The opportunity to intermarry into the owner class within the bunker

Drugs

(I shit you not) segregating the female guards and slaves and only allowing access to them through a rewards system

Better rations and living quarters.

Establishing a religion with the owner family as literal gods. I know this sounds stupid to us but imagine 3 generations of children raised like this in a tiny enclosed environment were all knowledge of the outside world is mediated through the owners.

A mix of these tactics may work in the medium term, and I'm sure there will be bunkers that revolt but I feel there will be some that don't for one reason or another. It's really no different from how kings had to work to keep their military leaders from taking power.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I feel like I've come across this vault in Fallout before.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Part of what makes the games so fun is that we all have a sneaking suspicion that that's exactly what a corp with Vault Tec's resources and sway would do with their customers post-apocalypse.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

exactly. the only question is how much money will it take to survive. AI is gonna make it easier for them to do it too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think that's why they are burning the world so intensely, they're trying to get their last profits in to secure their future in a world where currency is meaningless.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

I think it's more ambivalence. they're fine with the status quo because obviously they're on top. But even if shit really starts hitting the fan they are wealthy enough to be just fine. And before full blown apocalypse comes they'll be long dead.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

yes. but capitalism's main skills are myopia and delusion, and being a billionaire in particular poisons your brain, ruins your perception of scale consequence and responsibility just as it bloats your self opinion.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

This is why Larry Ellison bought almost the entirety of Lānaʻi (and Zuckerberg bought some of the remainder). Not only does it have an eight-mile moat between it and the rest of Hawai‘i, it's also got great climate and fertile volcanic soil. In fact, it was formerly the world's largest pineapple plantation.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Islands are a stupid collapse estate choice, too hard to defend from all sides of water.

Smart billionaires lock themselves inside luxury refurbished salt mines.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Raise your hand if, when the shit goes down, you're going to care about who bought what land.

Now raise your hand if you're going to be re-enacting scenes from the "Mad Max" movie franchise.