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Sheesh, there sure are a lot of hexbear users here piling onto anybody with a different opinion
Edit: I went ahead and queried the lemmy database from a federated instance I have access to.
These are the top 3 instances commenting in this specific post at the time of writing (2023-08-25 08:02 UTC):
These are the top 3 instances and their comment counts on any post in lemmy.ml/c/unixporn this month at the time of writing:
You're reading that right, hexbear has a whopping FIVE comments in this community that are not part of this post.
For the curious, those 5 comments at the time of writing are:
One of which is especially hilarious as we see a hexbear user that's been railing on people in this post using the very term they're condemning here. Strong convictions? Perhaps bandwagoning the hexbear teet? Who knows. Definitely not suspicious π
Those different opinions being... using racist terms? Just to get that straightened up
Look ma, another one! Do you all take shifts on duty watching this thread?
Different opinions being challenging your collective definition of the word being inherently racist. You can hem and haw all you want but meanings can change over time. If it can start being used racially at one point it can surely stop at another.
This is my only comment in this thread. I clicked on this post because it showed up in my feed, simple as. Everyone who talks about hexbear brigading, piling on, or "taking shifts" doesn't understand how federation works. Hexbear has been a highly active website with a large userbase for years now, so I don't know what you would you expect to happen when a large discussion-based website shows content... the people on that website are going to discuss that content.
This is true. But the group of people who get to decide whether or not something is racist is the group that is the target of that racism. White people don't get to decide the n-word is no longer racist. Hetero people don't get to decide the 3-letter f-word isn't homophobic. And no individual gets to decide because it's a cultural issue. Obviously meanings of words change and evolve, but they do so organically, and trying to force a racist term into regular usage and then say "it's not racist anymore because I wasn't intending to use it that way" is itself some really racist shit.
Just because there are some users that stumble upon content semi-organically doesn't mean brigading and piling on isn't happening. I would hope you guys aren't actually taking shifts. Hello hyperbole. And none of that indicates someone doesn't understand how federation works, are you sure you understand how it works?
They're also the group that gets to decide if they're offended/if something qualifies as racist toward them. You'll notice OP never indicated if they were part of this group, and by them recently learning the roots of the term as it relates to the car scene I'd guess they're not. Hello virtue signaling.
When it relates to homosexuality, I agree. When in another context, like.. oh say British slang, it's not at all. Context matters, that's the whole point here.
I'm not going to concede your assertion that ricing in this context is racist. Nobody is forcing anything, ricing in this context has been a non racial term for as long as I've seen it used to describe customizing DEs. This is what something changing organically looks like. Unless you can point me to a source showing the term as it relates to linux was intentionally used to try to dull the racist origins in the car world you can go sit with the other hexbear virtue signalers in this post.
Yes, there must be brigading going on, it's not like there's some sort of "front page" for federated instances that just anyone can browse, where active discussions like this would be promoted over less active content.
π₯± read your shift change notes. The line you're taking has already been quashed.
Been quashed? You're claiming that users could only semi-organically stumble upon this post, when your continual engagement has kept it at a healthy position in the active feed for the past 2 days. If it weren't for your insistence on being racist none of us would have seen the post at all.
Right, I forgot you fools lack reading comprehension skills and the ability to recognize nuance.
I didn't say there was brigading going on, your comrade brought that up. I simply said just because some users were arriving organically doesn't mean brigading is out of the question. The original point, which continues to be evident, is that there are a ton of hexbear users piling on to anyone that doesn't fall in line with OP. You all seem to conveniently ignore that and straw man into bringing up brigading and hurling insults. You prove my point every time a new one engages. Every. Time.
The only remotely racist users I've seen here are, unsurprisingly, hexbear users. You're the main ones attempting to nurture a term in a different context to try to get a completely different community to use your preferred racist definition. If you truly were anti-racist I would have expected celebration of the death of a racist term in the car community by way of the unixporn community using it with pride to show off their DEs.
Instead you cling for dear life onto your racist definition like conservatives do to the fucking electoral college and FPTP. It's really telling.
Edit: I went ahead and queried the lemmy database from a federated instance I have access to.
These are the top 3 instances commenting in this specific post at the time of writing (2023-08-25 08:02 UTC):
These are the top 3 instances and their comment counts on any post in lemmy.ml/c/unixporn this month at the time of writing:
You're reading that right, hexbear has a whopping FIVE comments in this community that are not part of this post.
For the curious, those 5 comments at the time of writing are:
One of which is especially hilarious as we see a hexbear user that's been railing on people in this post using the very term they're condemning here. Strong convictions? Perhaps bandwagoning the hexbear teet? Who knows. Definitely not suspicious π
"I didn't say there's any brigading going on, I just said there's some brigading going on - look, this incredibly popular post has more engagement than any of our other posts!"
The absolute brazen dishonesty you're engaging in the whole way through this thread is disgusting, and why you get piled on to. The fact is that you're pretending a racist term isn't racist (in the same way as calling stealing "jewing" isn't racist, I suppose (just to make sure you understand, it's very racist)), and your only real argument is "all the hexbears are piling in and being mean :(", not some justification for why taking a racist term for improving the look of a car without improving its performance isn't racist when you apply the exact same term, without altering the concept in any way, to computers.
You have any proof of this or are you just assuming that happens because you can't fathom that many people actually disagreeing with you?
You'll notice your comrade is the one that mentioned brigading. I only said there were a lot of hexbear users piling onto people that disagree with OP, which is obvious reading through the post. I can't hold your hand on that though, if you don't possess the reading comprehension to see that that's on you.
You're obnoxious. Hexbear is one of the largest instances, comparable to lemmy.ml which is where this was posted. There are also users from lemmy.ml and other instances agreeing with OP.
You're just a huge fucking baby that thinks encountering lots of opposing opinions must be some grand conspiracy against you.
Again with the lack of reading comprehension. Did I say it was only hexbear users piling on? No. I just pointed out that there are a lot of hexbear users piling on. Your persecution complex is showing.
I'm not sure where you assumed I"m upset about anything here or that I think there's a conspiracy against me. Hello projection.
Right back at you. Nobody is "piling on", there's just more people disagreeing with you than agreeing, deal with it baby.
Lmao are you gonna bust out the I'm rubber you're glue next? You lack reading comprehension and you've devolved to throwing insults instead of having a discussion.
If you can't see all the hexbear users piling onto those that disagree with OP I don't know what to tell you.
Good luck out there.
Again, that's not piling on, that's just your fragile ego not being able to handle a lot of people calling your opinion garbage.
Why do you insist on centering this on me? Mentioning the piling on was my first comment here. There's zero chance I was referring to myself lmao and I'm still not.
Your constant need to go after me is pretty telling. I'm curious what your definition of piling on is if attacking people instead of their argument doesn't meet that bar.
And again, not talking about myself. And if you need examples I invite you to read all of the responses in the thread objectively, and not as a hexbear user with already hurt feelings.
I actually did re-read the entire thread extremely objectively (I put on my maximum objectivity cap) and I stand by my initial conclusion that you're a huge fucking baby.
do you ''different-opinion-havers'' also take shifts whenever there's a racist term to defend?
Why are you stirring up shit about a word that a majority of users associate with Linux modding? What number of people exactly know the old meaning? Is your teaching the people that it's a racist word help anyway?
because it's racist. learn to take mild criticism and adjust behavior. it's not hard and it's a basic part of living with other people.
They're not the only ones calling y'all out. Stop defending using racist terms.
Y'all need to learn to understand context. Someone born in 1988 with 88 tattooed on them is not inherently racist. Someone with 88 tattooed right under their swastika tat is racist.
I don't have time to run every term through the book of hidden meanings for racists that you people seem to have. It's not racist in this context and the only ones trying to make it that way are those like you. Let it die.
Okay but this is literally the racist usage of the word.