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Defense attorneys said the use of ketamine, fentanyl and potassium chloride could cause ‘excruciating suffering’

Utah officials said on Saturday that they are scrapping plans to use an untested lethal drug combination in next month’s planned execution of a man in a 1998 murder case. They will instead seek out a drug that’s been used previously in executions in numerous states.

Defense attorneys for Taberon Dave Honie, 49, had sued in state court to stop the use of the drug combination, saying it could cause the defendant “excruciating suffering”.

The execution scheduled for 8 August would be Utah’s first since the 2010 execution of Ronnie Lee Gardner, by firing squad.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

I’m also against the death penalty entirely, but I’ve always wondered why they need to be conscious. Why can’t they put them under general anesthesia, then push the chemical while they’re unconscious?

[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That is, ideally, what they want to do. However, to do it properly you would need a doctor, and doctors won't help because of the whole "do no harm" thing. Kind of against their whole thing.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Have you been to Utah? There's probably a few "good Mormon" doctors who would do it, citing deep scripture regarding blood atonement and that kind of BS.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah and there's probably a few actually good doctors on the medical board who would yank their licenses in a fucking heartbeat for participating.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Definitely. There's a big enough group of decent enough people in Utah that help keep the state from turning into Florida or Texas, for now.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Pretty sure somewhere in their holy book says "Do not kill", so probably Mormon has nothing to do with it. An atheist would have less reservations, probably.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Hahaha. The third chapter into the book, the big "good" guy - Nephi - kills a dude because the voice in his head - the "Holy Spirit" - tells him they need a book the guy has.

Ever hear of the Mountain Meadows massacre? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_Massacre?wprov=sfla1

Or how about something more recent? Jeffrey R Holland - an Apostle of Jesus Christ - essentially telling Mormons to get their muskets ready to defend themselves against gay & trans people?

https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2021/08/23/we-must-have-will-stand/

Even better - how that talk is required reading/listening at BYU?

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/byu-freshmen-controversial-musket-fire-speech-mormon-lgbtq-utah-rcna143891

Mor[m]onism has always been violent and has embraced authoritarianism from the very beginning. Their proselytizing is just another form of colonialism and sending 18-19 year olds on missions (and having them pay for it) is just world-class brainwashing.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

You know you can say this about pretty much any religion, right? Yet most people don't go "Hey, God nuked Sodom, that means nuking is okay."

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Because applying anesthesia is nor easy, requires years of education and a medical degree, and not anesthesiologist is going ti participate on it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Only if you are worried about keeping them alive

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

Fucking up the anesthesia could also lead to full body seizures and projectile vomiting.