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Lemmy.world blocked that community, what's the post about?
Piracy. Lemmy.world blocked piracy related subs since they are babies. Leave Lemmy world man. Come to the dark side
Its just a link to the community [email protected]
Lemmy.world is hosted by real people, not corporations with tons of money to spend. Getting sued could potentially ruin the admin's life, so it's perfectly understandable.
If they actually consulted a lawyer, I'd be fine with the decision.
They did not. They make rash, uninformed decisions, based on feelings not reality, as a knee jerk reaction to other unrelated events.
So it's not very understandable. They could have consulted a lawyer for less than a month of their hosting costs.
There is literally zero possibility of them getting sued over this. It was nothing but a way to cement their hold as the biggest community. Yes, this makes me a hypocrite. I'm just too fucking lazy to switch.
Sorry, why would blocking piracy communities cement our hold on anything?
Just to be clear, I wasn’t involved in the choice to block piracy related communities, but I just don’t see how blocking them helps the hosts in any way except preventing legal disputes.
They blocked the whole instance when dbzero was easily one of the biggest and quickly growing when the influx was happening. It was completely unnecessary but maybe I'm just salty and reading too much into it tbh.
In the US, you can sue anyone for any reason, even if it's frivolous.
You force the other side to respond, making them hire a lawyer to defend you, even if the case is dismissed on its merits.
I very much disagree with lemmy.world's decision to block the community but I completely understand it. I exercised my right to move to a new instance in response.
I'm not even going to get into the lawsuit talk, because the problem from my perspective is that certain hosts will stop working with you if you get too many takedown notices.
Lemmy.world is hosted by real assholes
FTFY
We're not the dark side just because our flags are black 🤗
Ugh. I do like the idea of defederating in theory, but this is the third time I'm going to have move instances because something I want access to is blocked.
Is this just a 'me' problem or something everyone has to deal with from time to time?
We all gotta deal with it on any instance that is not your own. It's not unheard of for people to create their own lemmy instance so they have exacting control over their federation.
It works well!
Do you have to maintain block lists for the really scuzzy instances? Just curious
I haven't had any issues. Mods of the communities I'm subscribed to usually handle it before I even see it. I mainly only deferedate for political reasons, like Threads.
Indeed.
I have a simi-public instance, I made the decision to not federate with the NSFW instance as having [posable] non-consensual/underage manga/other content that is treated much harsher here than Piracy ( that is a pure civil thing here) and keep federation with [email protected]
I had the same issue when initially coming to Lemmy, and made several accounts before I got so annoyed I did the research and chose an instance specifically for its federation/defederation policies; which led me to where I am now.
Lemmy.zip has defederated only illegal content such as csam and gore, as well as meta because fuck corporate.
I just generally dislike the idea of an arbitrary censorship list being applied to my content feed, I can choose and block myself.
I also would rather manage what I block or federate to. I hate that Lemmy enables instances to have too much control over its users, deciding what you can and cannot see and admins can see your PMs too. I got fed up with Lemmy.world because of their federation fuckups, why would communities that talk about piracy but don't link to anything cause an admin to get sued? They won't, reddit allows more piracy talk than Lemmy.world does lmao. Obviously Nintendo searches through the fediverse for anyone even saying they pirated stuff, right guys?! Nah I just don't care for their admins. I usually dont agree with whatever their admins say, I even saw someone from world complain about Lemmy.world policies on their thread and the user got their account deleted by an admin with a nice smug response from them. I can't have my own instance since I don't have the money to spare, otherwise I would since it is BS that Lemmy doesn't allow users to have the same control over their feed as an admin.
What you're complaining about is impossible to do without hosting your own instance. I'm not even talking about Lemmy here, in saying from a software perspective. Like you'd have to have local encryption keys only to prevent a host from reading your messages. And there's no way anyone would just host whatever because the users want it.
I prefer end to end encryption, like in Matrix, Signal, SimpleX, etc. So I don't use Lemmy for PMs since they are not actually private, hell I went quite a while where I stopped using Lemmy because it is not meant for someone interested in their own privacy despite the irony of having multiple privacy focused communities. If someone doesn't want to host instances dedicated to CSAM I could see them wanting to defederate, but so far I've seen defederation used as a temper tantrum. It's always over some stupid drama. If you don't want to host whatever then what is the point of opening your instance to other people? I fail to see why someone would bother going through this trouble and then say no you can't view this community meant for modifying your nintendo switch. Even reddit does not care as much as the instance owners on Lemmy do. It's just baffling. Also good luck deleting your posts and comments. Ugh this convo makes me hate Lemmy again.
I have both an account on Lemmy Zip and on Monero Town and both of those are really good about not defederating most things.
Give up your universal account that accesses everywhere. Multiple accounts is the way.
I never seem to have this issue on fedia.io
Time to run your own instance
What instance would you recommend?
I like dbzer0 but also really like sopuli.xyz and slrpnk.net. Oh also literature.cafe.
All of them have great uptime too.
Can't go wrong with any of these. They've all got good local communities too.
+1 for sopuli. Chill, only defederates from meta, nazis and sketchy porn.
.world showed their true colors quickly, huh? Luckily there's a host of other options.
I would be pretty annoyed to let lemmy.world decide what I should read on the Lemmyverse :)
It's that or being politically correct..
… what?
[email protected] -- used the url instead of the Lemmy format, so it blocked it
They linked the community, not a particular post.
I’m on the particular community. It’s a Piracy community which has an entire megathread to everything related to Piracy, such as: movies, games, tv shows, software and anime.