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Butter is serious business (lemmy.world)
submitted 4 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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American butter is shit tbf

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The second reason is that while both the US and EU have farming subsidies, the way these subsidies are structured means that in the US they tend to incentivize the use of high fructose corn syrup

Yes, but that is actually not solely subsidies- but also overregulation. Sugar imports are taxed. Though, it would be better for people's health to try to transition away from caloric sugars to substitutes like aspartame.

the production of highly processed foods

Source?

highly processed foods tend to be more expensive and “whole foods” tend to be cheaper.

This is just the blog of a guy selling a book.

As a result people in the EU tend to eat less processed food as a percentage of their caloric intake:

So we were talking about supply, not consumption. But regardless, yes americans choose to eat processed foods more on average. So? The predominant cheap form of calories/proteins in Europe are cereals and tubers, those aren't exactly lacking in the US. (Btw, its just because they're cheap everywhere,

Though its not like either Americans or Europeans are significantly different in food group consumption for the most part The other differences being a much higher preference for meat in the US, also supported by the US actually getting majority of its protein from meat sources

Americans can afford raw potatoes too, they choose not to buy it. In fact, despite buying meat something supposedly 25% of Europeans cannot afford to eat every second day(though I don't believe that statistic to be honest)- Americans spend significantly less of their budget on food.

And to preempt a possible argument, American antiobiotic use in livestock is on par with some of Europe and much lower than some of Europe

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

the production of highly processed foods

Source?

The US congressional research service thinks EU subsidies are more spread out among all types of crops, including fruits and vegetables, whereas US policy focuses more on grains, sugars, dairy, and oil seeds: https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46811

That's not a direct subsidy of food processing of course, but the crops the US chooses to support ends up incentivizing it.

And this paper also makes it sound like subsidized crops in the US end up in processed foods: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2530901

So we were talking about supply, not consumption. But regardless, yes americans choose to eat processed foods more on average. So?

Cultural factors are a thing but I think they're used far too often to explain away trends at the population level and the effects of public policy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

The US congressional research service thinks EU subsidies are more spread out among all types of crops, including fruits and vegetables, whereas US policy focuses more on grains, sugars, dairy, and oil seeds:

Okay, but the data I just showed showed that Americans eat similar amounts to European countries of those things. A lit bit on the lower end of oils, definitely on the lower end of grain consumption, on the higher end of non-tuber, non-grain fruit and vegetable consumption, and a little bit on the lower end of dairy consumption. (And some European countries eat much more dairy)

That's not a direct subsidy of food processing of course, but the crops the US chooses to support ends up incentivizing it.

Yes, but Americans eat less of those crops and more fruits, vegetables, and meat.

Cultural factors are a thing but I think they're used far too often to explain away trends at the population level and the effects of public policy.

I agree, another big part is that Americans are able to afford it, a lot of fast food chains for example have been billed as a bit of a more luxury choice internationally as compared to the US, just because the prices are similar to US prices but wages are much lower. Basically labor costs are lower in the agricultural centers of the EU- and manufacturing machinery costs are higher.