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I think you're ascribing something to Jack Black that isn't there. I'm genuinely upset at him for his response. I personally believe that we shouldn't be tolerant of the intolerant, but I respect that Jack doesn't agree with that. I strongly believe he would have reacted the same if the joke was made about a member of a minority. I can be pissed at him without jumping to this extreme of accusing him of sympathising with Nazis. You're just doing the same thing in the opposite direction, dividing the left along ideological lines over the assassination attempt of the right-wing candidate. That is exactly what they want to happen.
I don't think Jack is tolerant of the intolerant here. This seemed like a safety move. Everyone involved with their shows could be at risk from someone who hears this and makes them a target. The audience, employees at the venues etc.
The tour is in Australia. I understand the sentiment, but things here are far less charged than in the US. We also have stringent gun laws (federally) that would prevent mass violence, we haven't had a mass shooting this century. It would require a large group of people with hand weapons to cause serious harm, but only a small minority of the hard-right, who are already an incredibly small minority here, would care that much about Donald Trump. An American presidential candidate.
"we should be careful what we say so maga hats don't do violence to us and our fans" is absolutely dystopian.
That's just like ... They won. They have used terror to suppress people.
Yeah, I mean the issue is that they don't act in good faith so it's hard to deal with.
I'm not an expert on how to resolve the issue by any means, but I don't see a way around this without some force being applied.
The issue is not everyone is comfortable with that. A lot of people understandably want to live peacefully and without violence. But I don't know how that will realistically happen when the right leaning side keeps pushing violent rhetoric. Maybe I'm just ignorant to more possible solutions, but it seems to me that eventually, there will be some kind of civil war if they don't stop pushing towards dictatorship/fascist rule.
Edit: I forgot to mention, but that's why you'll see some people take a passive stance, and some will take a hard stance on it. And sometimes people will flip flop in between. It's self-preservation.
Edit: this got me thinking more, and I found this interesting article about ways we can try to stop fascism without violence that have worked in other countries https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/transformation/how-fight-fascism-position-strength/