this post was submitted on 12 Jul 2024
42 points (100.0% liked)
Australia
3613 readers
58 users here now
A place to discuss Australia and important Australian issues.
Before you post:
If you're posting anything related to:
- The Environment, post it to Aussie Environment
- Politics, post it to Australian Politics
- World News/Events, post it to World News
- A question to Australians (from outside) post it to Ask an Australian
If you're posting Australian News (not opinion or discussion pieces) post it to Australian News
Rules
This community is run under the rules of aussie.zone. In addition to those rules:
- When posting news articles use the source headline and place your commentary in a separate comment
Banner Photo
Congratulations to @[email protected] who had the most upvoted submission to our banner photo competition
Recommended and Related Communities
Be sure to check out and subscribe to our related communities on aussie.zone:
- Australian News
- World News (from an Australian Perspective)
- Australian Politics
- Aussie Environment
- Ask an Australian
- AusFinance
- Pictures
- AusLegal
- Aussie Frugal Living
- Cars (Australia)
- Coffee
- Chat
- Aussie Zone Meta
- bapcsalesaustralia
- Food Australia
- Aussie Memes
Plus other communities for sport and major cities.
https://aussie.zone/communities
Moderation
Since Kbin doesn't show Lemmy Moderators, I'll list them here. Also note that Kbin does not distinguish moderator comments.
Additionally, we have our instance admins: @[email protected] and @[email protected]
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
In that case the ADF needs a end to end 3rd party investigation as to how they fucked up this bad. How the hell does yogi bear get employed by the national parks service?! And thats not a Russian bear jab, I just couldn't think of a less appropriate employee to a job posting.
Australia is full of ex-pats and dual citizens. Half of us were born overseas or have at least one parent born overseas.
These guys are an anomaly. They certainly aren't the norm.
There is a difference being born overseas to our enemies or to our allies. Surely the checks should be different.
China and Russia would seem to be a bigger risk for espionage. We already share with USA, UK and others.
Like, if you said there were two spies born in Luxembourg that were stealing Defence documents, it would be unusual and wed question why. 2 Russians (who are also Australian). Less of a surprise. Why are the Defence forces surprised?
Enemies isn't the right word. Australia is not at war and has no enemies. Countries with interests that conflict with ours maybe?
You probably have a point regarding risks and checks. On the other hand: while Russians aren't that common, one in 20 Australians are of Chinese descent. That's a lot of people to cast suspicions on without more evidence than 'Chinese ancestry'. Hell, our minister for foreign affairs is of Chinese descent.
Non allies then. Or countries with goals in conflict with ours.
Chines ancestry is not the same as being a Chinese citizen. They already check for many things, when assessing whether you are suitable for access to secrets. Sounds like it might be more tick the box than actual checks.
My partner is in Defence. I know people of many nationalities that serve. I was surprised it was allowed, initially but it makes sense in the context of Australian people being born overseas commonly. I'm also Australian with dual citizenship. I would consider myself more if a risk than my kids, for instance. I wouldn't betray Australia and love life here. However if my family were threatened that might change things. That's not uncommon in China or Russia from my understanding.
Oh no, my ruse didn't work. Cover blown. Back to the drawing boards.