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[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I think it's silly too, but isn't this a bit insensitive? People died. It is their own fault for making bad decisions in this situation, but they still died.

It's also a lot easier to choose not to be Muslim when your entire family and maybe your entire support group isn't Muslim. Hell, how many of those people who died came from countries where it's basically required by law to be Muslim?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It is indeed. But atheists have a tendency to think it's fine for them to be hateful towards religious people because "they hate all religion". Logically hating more people makes someone even worse, but there's not all that much logic going on in the minds of some atheists. For some people, Atheism is just a cover for being hateful, in exactly the same way some people use Christianity (or any other religion) to provide cover for their hatred.

If the guy didn't say something about "deists," the comment would be identical to something an Islamophobic Christian might say. Religious bigotry from atheists is identical to bigotry coming from religious people.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

ftr; also atheist, but decided not to be insensitive today, lol

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I can prove objectively that religion is bad for humanity. Can you do the same about atheism? There's a huge difference between the two. We respect people, not their beliefs. If someone's a racist, that's a belief with just as much evidence (aka none/blind faith) as a religion. Do I have to respect their religions? I do think it's really sad that these people died, though I view it as an easily preventable occurrence, and mostly the fault of those that partook. (The same way that I viewed the submarine)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

I can prove objectively that religion is bad for humanity. Can you do the same about atheism?

Sure... there's a very large number of people that were killed by atheists like Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc. There's a large enough sample size to objectively prove that when atheists are in power they are as bad (if not worse) than religious people in power.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I doubt it's required by state law for them to go to Mecca on pilgrimage in any Muslim country. How could they even prove you really did it? At most they could inspect your passport to see if you went to Saudi Arabia.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

What I said was "basically required by law to be Muslim", not required by state law to do the Hajj

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Okay, but this is about going on the Hajj and their nation's laws cant require them to do that.