this post was submitted on 12 Jun 2024
223 points (93.4% liked)

News

23296 readers
4113 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.


Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.


If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.


The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

The US swimmer Lia Thomas, who rose to global prominence after becoming the first transgender athlete to win a NCAA college title in March 2022, has lost a legal case against World Aquatics at the court of arbitration for sport – and with it any hopes of making next month’s Paris Olympics.

The 25-year-old also remains barred from swimming in the female category after failing to overturn rules introduced by swimming’s governing body in the summer of 2022, which prohibit anyone who has undergone “any part of male puberty” from the female category.

Thomas had argued that those rules should be declared “invalid and unlawful” as they were contrary to the Olympic charter and the World Aquatics constitution.

However, in a 24-page decision, the court concluded that Thomas was “simply not entitled to engage with eligibility to compete in WA competitions” as someone who was no longer a member of US swimming.

The news was welcomed by World Aquatics, who hailed it as “a major step forward in our efforts to protect women’s sport”.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (2 children)

There is a place for trans people in sport. Male, female, trans. Done.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I really don't think there are enough trans people competing at the highest levels to sustain that though.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

Honestly, I think it's not that big of a deal. I'm sure something can be worked out sure, but it's not the most important issue that trans people have to deal with.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That sounds like a more ideal compromise, though I am not sure if even that is without its own set of issues.

Basically, athletic performance falls on the same gradient as masculinity. The more masculine your body is, the more capable you are as an athlete on average. If you are a trans woman taking T blockers/estrogen supplements, your body becomes more feminine, but in turn you lose much of that athletic capability.

So hypothetically, if I am a trans woman and an athlete, where I am paid based on how well I do, am I incentivised to not take T blockers/estrogen supplements, or take them in more limited doses, in order to be a more capable athlete? Basically, am I forced to compromise my gender identity for a better paycheck?

We could force every trans athlete to undergo lab work before every match to make sure their T levels are within a certain threshold, but then is that someone's fault if their body is not being as responsive to the medication they're taking, and now they're out a job? Not to mention how that would basically force their medical history to be public knowledge.

I'm not sure I'm comfortable inviting these sorts of scenarios to occur, to be honest.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Trans people get the lab work you're talking about done regularly anyway, because it's part of ensuring their levels are safe and correct.

You're voting for exclusion (trans competitions will never happen) because you're uncomfortable with trans people having to do something that is already part of their daily lives

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I think you may have misread what I was suggesting.

Trans people should never have to disclose part of their medical history to stay employed. Even if you get regular testing and it's no big deal, what goes into your medical record should be between you, your doctor, and no one else. There should never be a scenario of "Star kicker of [team] barred from competition because her labs showed she is too masc."

My point was not to suggest that as an option, but more that it would be a bad proposition to try to avoid the scenario where trans people would be incentivised to partially detransition (MtF) or take too many supplements (FtM) when athletic performance is directly correlated to how many androgens your body has.

I don't know how to avoid that scenario in a capitalist system, to be honest with you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

I'd rather submit my records to a sports oversight board than be excluded from competing.

You say "trans people shouldn't have to disclose their medical history to stay employed", but you're seemingly happy to speak for trans folk and just accept that they should be unemployed.

The real irony being that anyone in elite sports, trans or not, already has to submit to the lab work you're uncomfortable with, as a condition of their employment.

The scenario you're trying to avoid? That's why the lab work already happens, because many cis athletes take performance enhancing drugs to gain advantage, because they're incentivised to in a capitalist society.

But somehow, that lab work is only an issue that you feel the need to speak up on when it's for trans folk?