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I looked at /r/conservative last night and it was not good for my mental health. Thousands of commenters all agree it was a sham trial that he will win on appeal and that this will only earn him votes.
The last two things, they may be right about and that's terrifying.
They don't even realize that that's not how appeals work. It's not just "the appellate court says acquittal," there needs to A) have been a failure in the legal process which B) would have been impactful on the jury's verdict during the first trial for an appeal to be successful. Appellate courts only address the legal process. An appellate court would only get into addressing the facts of the case if there was an absolutely glaring smoking gun to point to some evidence or testimony having been false.
You know, like Allen Weisselberg does when he testifies.
Even if an appellate court was to side with Trump's appeal, that just means it goes back to the lower court to be tried again, unless the DA goes "yeah, forget it."
This right here. I am not a legal expert, but I do know that this is how it typically works. The point I want to make, though, is that the prosecution likely knew trump would want to appeal, thus tried to make their legal process as air tight and by the book as possible
My favorite is the ones crying about how America has fallen into nazism because... Trump got convicted of a crime with overwhelming evidence of it.
And its especially funny considering how down with nazism they have been until its conversationally convenient to suddenly cry about the evil nazi persecution.
At least he can only appeal all the at to the State Supreme Court so the fedsoc six can't fuck with it.
He'll try to get it to the us supreme court though, probably arguing that because the fraud was on a us election it's a federal matter.
Those are mostly bots or paid Russian actors
How do we know that? Absolutely some are but I have no idea what the ratio is
They said mostly. I know a few Trump supporters. They'll all agree with each other that it was a sham trial, but it wont amount to anything. They peaked with January 6th and even that was pathetic compared to real revolutions from history.
If there actually was a real Revolution they'd get wiped out pretty quickly. At some level they actually do know that or at least the brighter ones do.
They won't do anything for the same reason that most Russians won't do anything about Putin. Actually putting your life on the line is a pretty big ask, and most of them wouldn't dare do it.
I think the scenario is flipped between Russians and US Republicans. Russians don't protest because they don't know how bad they have it. There were occupying Russians in Ukraine who didn't know what "automatic" toilets were. They only knew the manual ones where you brought in a bucket of water to pour in to flush the toilet, but because most adults in Russia only know Putin's Russia, they believe all the propaganda.
US Republicans don't know how good they have it because their propaganda is based on the world being a Zero Sum Game and any rights minorities gain means that loose equivalent rights. Legalizing Gay Marriage means their Cis Marriage has less value. But they don't really think they have it that bad. They wont admit it, but they have too much to loose with a revolution. They may want one, but they aren't willing to actually put themselves in harms way. Why do you think they all freaked the hell out over Ashli Babbitt being shot dead? None of them actually understand that that's what a real Revolution entails.
Lose: when you no lpnger have something
Loose: when you no longer wear a belt
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Not sure if serious.. wipe out by who, exactly?
Themselves.
On more than one occasion in my life, they've been told not to drink bleach to cure diseases. Disinfo has a cost, and our (somewhat) stable and (somewhat) educated society is bearing the brunt of it right now. When they can't get to doctors, or they resort to prayer and holistic medicine for mortal wounds and illness, their herd will start to thin dramatically.
Police, armed forces, themselves. Every time far right forces push out an "other" group, they stater othering each other.
So you agree.. that wasn't an act of revolution or insurrection?
It was a feeble attempt at an insurrection by a bunch of soft skin, small minded cucks who have daddy issues. None of those people have actually suffered a fraction what they think they have.
Russians took over the mod positions way back. That was enough to ensure the narrative is maintained.
I dunno it's reddit, really hard to tell which are real people over there
Who do you think was "on the fence" about Trump but now that he is a convicted felon is now definitely convinced Trump is their guy?... because this is the only way he gets more votes after the conviction
I don't know. It might convince some elderly or very young idiots that their vote is more important than ever and increase turnout. But I have no idea. I'm just terrified of another term of trump. He would end the United States' chance of improving any time soon.
As opposed to.. lol Biden? You do realize we're at the verge of losing relations that benefit the U.S., right? With Biden and those like Biden running things, the Global South will be the new power house of the world.
You're saying that the potential for the economic development of historically exploited colonies under Biden is a more grave risk than the potential end of democracy in America under Trump?
Trump did a lot to alienate allies too, way more than Biden has a far as I know. You really are clueless.
Congrats on winning the "weirdest take of the day" award today
They move the goalpost at every turn.
I remember when they said he'd win big in 2020. I remember when they said he wouldn't be indicted. Next it's some other silly line in the sand. They're not exactly great prognosticators.
They call it a sham but I ask, where is the proof? There is, of course, zero.
It's in New York tho!?! Checkmate, libturds
I haven’t been to that sub, but is there any way to estimate how many there are Russian operatives or bots? I’m guessing this conviction will be fertile fodder for encouraging uprisings amongst Trumpies.
I've no idea.
Yeah, what's been going on this whole time with Trump is gaslighting. It's extremely bad for all of our mental health.
Our nation is sick, and the first bit of medicine we need is some semblance of justice for one of the most renown white collar criminals to ever hit the American spotlight:
Trump must be published for his crimes. If he is not, then America and the entire world is at risk of destabilizatiom.
I would agree with you. It is quite shocking to read conservative opinions on this though. None of them have a fucking clue what he did wrong but they're all sure it was rigged.
He's not going to win on appeal unless the case gets moved to Canon's district.