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Months after some Israelis started to protest against aid lorries entering Gaza at the main Kerem Shalom crossing, the battle has moved to other key junctions, where rival groups of activists do their best to block or protect aid convoys.

Right-wing activists, including Jewish settlers living in the occupied West Bank, have uploaded dozens of videos of crowds, including some very young children, hurling food onto the ground and stamping on boxes of aid.

In one video, a group of jubilant protesters dance and celebrate on top of a looted lorry.

In another, one of the stranded lorries is ablaze.

In the West Bank, at least two drivers who were not carrying goods bound for Gaza were dragged from their cabs and beaten.

Other videos show Israeli vigilantes stopping lorries in Jerusalem and demanding that drivers show papers proving they are not transporting aid to Gaza. Their faces are uncovered and they appear to be acting with complete impunity.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Apologies if I was unclear.

Don't worry about it.

Yeah it is. Whereas Palestinians are resisting (sometimes in less than optimal ways) a genocidal occupation force, these Israelis are safe and still trying to help that same force starve innocent civilians to death. That's VERY different.

Hamas invaded areas which aren't considered occupied, and kidnapped, killed and raped innocent people. I don't care if they call this "resistance", it's terrorism.

I disagree with your view of the IDF, but even if I did agree, then Hamas and the IDF would be fairly equivalent in this case (except for the fact that the IDF has more firepower).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Hamas invaded areas which aren't considered occupied, and kidnapped, killed and raped innocent people. I don't care if they call this "resistance", it's terrorism.

We were specifically talking about NON-Hamas Palestinians, though, not that terrorist group.

I disagree with your view of the IDF

It's not "my view". It's the facts of the matter as per international law.

Hamas and the IDF would be fairly equivalent in this case (except for the fact that the IDF has more firepower).

No. Just no. One is one of the most advanced and well-funded militaries in the history of the world and the other is a terrorist group usually firing unguided rockets. While both are despicable, there's absolutely no equivalence.

Especially since the IDF isn't fighting Hamas. They're eradicating the civilian population using Hamas as an excuse.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

We were specifically talking about NON-Hamas Palestinians, though, not that terrorist group.

I'm saying unaffiliated Palestinians who support Hamas are supporting terrorism, not resistance.

It's not "my view". It's the facts of the matter as per international law.

Considering the fact that multiple international courts are currently dealing with this issue, it's not as obvious as you present it.

Especially since the IDF isn't fighting Hamas. They're eradicating the civilian population using Hamas as an excuse.

Are you claiming Hamas was fighting the IDF on the 7th of October? It is well known in Israel that the reason so many civilians were hurt that day was that there was a lackluster response from the IDF, so civilians had to fight terrorists themselves.

Also, Israel evacuated 800,000 people from Rafah before entering, why do that if they just wanted them to die?

Even in the current government the voices calling for resettlement of Gaza are an unpopular minority.

You can claim the IDF has no regard for human life, so they don't care if they kill innocent Gazans (I would disagree, but whatever). But to claim that they try to eradicate them is crazy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

You can claim the IDF has no regard for human life, so they don't care if they kill innocent Gazans (I would disagree, but whatever). But to claim that they try to eradicate them is crazy.

The IDF absolutely does not care if it kills innocent civilians. You do not establish invisible "kill zones" in a civilain occupied area and indiscriminately fire on men, women and children if you care about human life. These zones are so ubiquitous and so ill policed that the IDF killed 3 jewish hostages that escaped captivity, hostages that striped themselves shirtless, called out in hebrew, waved white flags, had large signs saying they were escaped hostages, and still the IDF ran them down like dogs to kill because they violated a invisible "kill zone" boundary.

Also, Israel evacuated 800,000 people from Rafah before entering, why do that if they just wanted them to die?

After months of intense and very public pressure and a first in decades withholding of weapons from the US, and after very publicly murdering humanitarian aid workers that cost Israel a great deal of international support for this war. Even then they barely setup any services like tents, water or sanitation for those 800k forced refuges moved into a "expanded humanitarian area," i.e concentration camp, all while your ministers like Ben Gvir call for the literal genocide of the Palestinian people to continue.

These are not the actions of a country that cares for civilain life.