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[–] [email protected] 54 points 6 months ago (10 children)

These "I'm not gonna vote for Biden because my principles are too important" folks are really starting to piss me off.

Where were your principles last year? The year before? Where were they when Russia invaded Ukraine? What about the Rohingya? The Yazidi? How about here at home and what Republican power - in congress and across the courts? Where will they be if Trump wins and appoints another SCOTUS judge and packs the federal courts? When hundreds of transgender Americans are murdered? When women no longer have any autonomy over their bodies?

This isn't about your principles. It's not about you looking cool in a keffiyeh. This is about all of us on the left working together to reduce the most harm. You in your enormous privilege are not the main character here.

I mean seriously... get the fuck over yourselves you spoiled brats.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 months ago (26 children)

I suspect a lot of those people are arguing in bad faith and are actually spreading misinformation. That they never intended on voting for Biden, or always intended on voting for Trump and trying to make it seem like Biden is losing his base.

IRL, most people I know, while not happy with Biden's response acknowledge that Trump's view is much much worse.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The only difference between them is language. Both have no problem with slaughtering women and children and we are seeing it now. Biden doesn’t care and is supplying the weapons, just like he didn’t care when Lebanon was invaded.

In public, Joe Biden tried to claim neutrality on the Israeli military campaign. In private, he was more enthusiastic about it than the Israeli prime minister.

Begin said Biden “rose and delivered a very impassioned speech” defending the invasion. Begin said he was shocked at how passionately Biden supported Israel’s invasion when Biden “said he would go even further than Israel, adding that he’d forcefully fend off anyone who sought to invade his country, even if that meant killing women or children.” Begin said, “I disassociated myself from these remarks,” adding: “I said to him: No, sir; attention must be paid. According to our values, it is forbidden to hurt women and children, even in war. Sometimes there are casualties among the civilian population as well. But it is forbidden to aspire to this. This is a yardstick of human civilization, not to hurt civilians.” The comments were striking from Begin, who had been notorious as a leader of the Irgun, a militant group that carried out some of the worst acts of ethnic cleansing accompanying the creation of the state of Israel, including the 1948 Deir Yassin massacre.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (7 children)

Well put. The only principle we should be considering is saving as many lives as possible and preventing as much persecution as possible. Adherence to any principles which go against this simply shows those principles are not worth holding, not as absolutes at least.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

You are not going to get Arab-Americans to vote for Biden, forget it. You want us to carry water for someone slaughtering us while grinning. I voted for him in 2020 and that will be the last time I ever vote Democratic, the first time was for John Kerry in 2004. Voting Republican is of course not an option, it is third party from now on though I am making arrangements to leave the country. I am paying taxes to give myself PTSD watching Arabs get slaughtered with my tax money. I know most people don't have the means to leave the US, but I do.

Biden could have stopped this genocide from day one, not only he didn't but he continues to supply the weapons and political cover for Israel to continue massacring women and children. There's enough Arab-Americans to swing the election one way or another. Biden and the Democratic Party will have to earn our votes rather than extract them from us by scaring us with Trump.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It's your right to vote 3rd party, but doing so makes it only more likely that Trump will take office and ruin not just Palestine but the ability for Arab Americans and possibly every foreign born, and possibly non-white person in general, to live in the US. In our current political system, third parties count for nothing, it's a wasted vote. I'm not thrilled by Biden either but voting for president has to be strategic.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

3rd party vote just goes to Cheato Mussolini

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

He won in 2016 despite me voting for Clinton. In 2020 I thought Biden couldn't be worse, but I got a genocide. In 2024 I'm voting for someone I like for a change. Clinton too is never getting a vote from after she posted this. Cheering and justifying a genocide is where I part ways with the Democratic Party.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

How could have Biden stopped it on day one? Really. Tell us.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

By not sending weapons, by withholding financial aid, by not justifying the crimes and by not vetoing the U.N. ceasefire vote multiple times. Reagan and Bush Sr. were able to do so. No surprise that Thurmond-loving Biden is to their right somehow.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

wrong generalization bro , it's actually muslim americans

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

You are funny. Arab Americans and Muslim Americans do overlap and both care deeply about Palestine, but are still two different groups. Most Arabs in the US are actually Christian, and the news article I linked to mentioned Arab Americans.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Being pro-palestine is not the definition of the left, the truth is things would only be worse for Palestine if Trump is elected, and in exchange for this punishment of the Dems the potential losses are immense and not just for Palestine. Being pro-palestine is very popular among the far right as well, and they are cheering for Trump just the same as you have been implicitly.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Liberalism and the Democratic Party are on the right. Joe Biden was friends with Strom Thurmond. Joe Biden demonized "busing" and other programs to integrate schools. Joe Biden cheered the slaughter of women in children in Lebanon in 1982. Biden is basically Trump but with more eloquence. Their actions are the same. Palestinians are getting slaughtered right now, protestors are getting beaten up and jailed right now. Trump is just the boogeyman Democrats use to get their voters to stop demanding anything.

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