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Neverminding the evidence to the contrary. (lemmy.world)
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[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Multiple different things can be dumbass pseudoscience, actually. Any time someone starts talking about what humans "were meant to eat", I'm done listening. Humans can and do survive and thrive on an extremely broad variety of diets. It's part of why societies were able to develop in so many different places.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Right, exactly. This is what I said. Humans _can _ survive on vegan diets. So the question becomes, if it’s possible to live a totally healthy normal life not eating meat, should you? This is the moral line that vegans come down on differently than the typical meat eater.

Nobody is arguing that humans can’t eat meat or that it wasn’t beneficial for our ancestors to be able to. The question is, if it’s not required, is it moral? Btw, veganism is about harm reduction. There are people to this day in impoverished countries who are actually required to eat meat to achieve sufficient nutrient intake. You will find 99% vegans having no problem with those people. But if you live in a country with basic infrastructure you probably have enough to at least significantly reduce meat intake

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Hi there! You appear to be interpreting some type of meat eating ideology from my comment. Let me encourage you to take it at face value - the only intent is to criticize the idea that humans are "meant" to eat particular foods, an idea present both in the meme that started this thread and in the above mentioned paleo diet

[–] [email protected] -3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

We are agreeing lol. My point is that vegans do not actually make this argument. I have yet to ever hear it made unironically. Sometimes it is made in jest because it is made to us with sincerity from meat eater ideology.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

My point is that vegans do not actually make this argument.

The meme is literally making this argument.

I see nothing indicating the meme is intended to be ironic. Considering the number of people taking this at face value, at best this was communicated poorly.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Another question is: if it’s moral, are you gonna do it for that reason?

I have no arguments against veganism. Vegans are right. Yet I am not a vegan.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

People vary in their adherence to their own morals. Some change their morals more often than they change their actions.

I choose to be someone who puts my morals above my wants, at least as often as I can, and I try to learn all the time if there are other ways I am inadvertently going against my own morals.

Edit to add: I also used to agree with veganism and not take part, mainly out of fear it would be too hard and I'd fail or hurt myself. And then one day I just did it. I dont regret it one bit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This is the “fuck off, I like guns” of meat eating and pretty much the only argument I’m receptive to. I get frustrated when people argue they should be able to do things using bad arguments. But if you say, I don’t have a good argument for this but I’m gonna do it anyway, that’s at least being honest with yourself and I respect that a lot more.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago

What is not moral about eating meat? Is it about consuming life? If that is the case then I have bad news for vegans about plants.