this post was submitted on 21 May 2024
259 points (95.8% liked)
DeGoogle Yourself
8771 readers
1 users here now
A community for those that would like to get away from Google.
Here you may post anything related to DeGoogling, why we should do it or good software alternatives!
Rules
-
Be respectful even in disagreement
-
No advertising unless it is very relevent and justified. Do not do this excessively.
-
No low value posts / memes. We or you need to learn, or discuss something.
Related communities
[email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]
founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Basically an advertisement for their services, but since they're shitting on Google's ad revenue model I'm all for it.
I will not shit on Google completely myself though, because I do appreciate (other than a few naughty shenanigans they've pulled recently) their work on the Android kernel.
Completely self serving though. Mobile is a personal data goldmine and Google gotta dig into that one way or another and if folks can contribute to that side with bug fixes, great.
And Facebook has some of the best open source work of all time, from the react ecosystem to making php feasible, to LLMs. There's certainly a ton missing and a lot of it is for their own products, but some of it goes far beyond their own needs
Facebook also did unethical human testing and debatably broke democracy and the social fabric
Just be even handed. Praise the good, denounce the bad, and keep in mind these are monstrously large companies and the people that did the good probably have little to do with the ones that did the bad
Google shouldn't get a pass because they bought Android and only partially used that ownership to control the ecosystem and push their own products
This is honestly what puts me off using Proton. They advertise way too much and way too aggressively. It's just a bad vibe for a company that's trying to set itself up as an alternative to Google.
I use Tutanota but I'm looking to find something else because I'm sick of platforms that lock you into their ecosystem, and the fact they don't provide any means of using other mail clients like Thunderbird has become a deal breaker.
Problem is there doesn't seem to be consensus on third place.
I understand your feeling, but I think massive advertising is needed. This is high level marketing, basically telling the general public there is another way other than big tech. Most people don't know this to know there are options to choose...so they don't.
Why is it "needed"?
Why do they care about attracting all these people?
Every one of them increases their operating costs, and doesn't provide revenue if they stay in the free tier. Why do they want to increase their numbers so badly?
Why isn't it enough to just make a good product and let that be what brings people in?
The only reason for this kind of aggressive advertising is because they're making a push for growth. They want to become one of those "big tech" companies.
Let me be clear, I'm not shaming them for advertising their services. But I'm uncomfortable with the scale and aggression with which they do it. They are putting money into this, and a lot of it. It's not like they're a non-profit, the end goal is pretty obvious here.
We've been through this before with so many other tech companies, Proton will be no different. It's just entering the honeymoon phase, is all.