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If it were true that leftists could never organise to decide a course of action how do you explain the rampant success of workers unions?
I don’t doubt that conservatives are more likely to just ‘follow the leader’ (I’ve read similar as well) but to say the left is ineffectual because of internal divisions is laughable given the very public and concerning division in the Republican Party right now.
Neither of the two parties in the United States of America are actually left. Republicans are far right, Democrats are liberal and in the middle of the left/right spectrum.
Excuse me? The what?
You know that weekends didn’t exist until unions fought for and won them yeah?
And when was this, exactly?
I mean, you can just google it.
But if you’re American it was 1937.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/labor-unions-the-folks-wh_b_8101242/amp
Right. So, 86 years ago? How does this explain the rampant success of workers unions?
Do you think that’s the only thing unions have achieved in 86 years?
I suggest you do some googling about the union movement internationally, I think you’ll find there have been many successes, some very recently.
You've had plenty of time to elaborate on your claims of the "rampant success of workers unions" and your answer is "Google it"?
No. This is unacceptable. You tell me what you believe is evidence of the "rampant success of workers unions" or concede that there hasn't been anything approaching "rampant success of workers unions"in quite some time.
The right might begin to become divided soon, but so far it definitely has not. Regarding worker unions (and the research I mentioned), I'm talking about the modern day, last 20-30 years or so, even though there's been a lot of fragmentation historically as well. There are no real leftist parties in my country with any success either because of the same thing, endless fragmentation, purity tests and ignoring the fact that actual workers are not socially progressive.