Do any of them know what the word "liberal" actually means?
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Being anti-leftist =/= being reactionary
I understand we define them differently, but do you fundamentally disagree with the spectrum of "Leftist (revolutionary) -- Progressive -- Conservative -- Reactionary" ?
Yes, I fundamentally disagree with that.
Rejecting Socialism and the progression towards Worker Ownership is Reactionary behavior. You identify as a progressive, but you oppose all Socialism, and support Liberal Capitalism with robust social safety nets (unless you've pivoted).
You are therefore a reactionary.
How would you distinguish between Manchin Democrats, McCain Republicans, and MAGAs? I would call the former two "conservative" and the latter "reactionary", but if you consider all of them to be reactionary, what labels would you use to differentiate them?
They are indeed all reactionary, though I would use Liberal and Fascist. All 3 are conservative liberals, and all 3 reject leftist movement, but MAGA in particular is a fascist movement.
Ok that makes sense. So Elizabeth Warren vs Joe Biden vs Joe Manchin? Any differences there?
Minor. All 3 are liberals and all 3 are reactionary. Getting into the weeds for specifics won't really change their overall labels.
They all support "current system + minor tweaks," and the "current system" part does heavier lifting than "minor tweaks."
Is there anyone who is neither a leftist nor a reactionary? Or do you think everyone has to be either for worker ownership (leftist) or against it (reactionary)?
It's a spectrum, unintentional anti-leftism due to a lack of information isn't as reactionary as fascism, but both are reactionary.
Generally, you either support moving on to the next mode of production, or you reject that movement.
Got it. I still reject your central premise of hard labels regardless of real-world context, but everything you're saying makes sense and is internally consistent within that premise.
We disagree on a ton, but I don't believe either of us have been internally inconsistent.