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You can’t see that the more people cycle or the more bus lanes we have also means less cars.
Try framing it like this. Every time you see a cyclist remember that’s one less car. Or a bus could be 20-50 less cars on the road.
Buses, that makes sense. But never in the history of bike lanes has replacing a car lane with a bike lane meant as many cyclists using that lane as cars did before. Replacing car lanes with bike lanes in no way helps efficiently move people.
It's better for the environment, so I support it, but let's be real here.
Well, never is a bit of a strong word here. Copenhagen and Amsterdam have something to say about that. Now I'm not a fuckcars person, but I do see the value for those places. I am also aware that it works there because of multiple factors that do not necessarily translate well to other places, not just plopping a bike lane and hoping people won't just use it for parking their cars. Oslo, for instance does not have the same infrastructure for bikes as Copenhagen does, presumably because they get worse winters?
I'll say this, though, I was extremely surprised to see a traffic jam on the bike lane and no jam on the car lane.
Have you ever been to London? Because we have many many cycle lanes and it does help the flow of traffic.
Ever heard of Amsterdam?
I’m happy to be shown some examples to the contrary though.
Did they add a bike lane? Or did they replace a car lane?
I can 100% guarantee that any place that has removed a car lane and replaced it with a bike lane has people moving less efficiently. The math is inescapable.
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You can’t guarantee anything of the sort, but fyi many of the routes are from road lanes, it’s London after all not much room for lateral space, but many places have put them at the side of the roads.
No way in hell.
I'd be very interested to see the study itself from that first link.
Bro I’ve lived in London. Just go there and see with your own eyes.